@DCGoldPants Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Relax. We have something better to focus on. Thanks, Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, DogofWar1 said: THAT is collusion ladies and gentlemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 The only things I’m seeing right now on twitter from Trump supporters: 1) ...but Clinton 2) ...before Manafort joined campaign 3) ...silence on Papadopoulos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Watching MSNBC. Soon WH press briefing. We get to hear SHS lie her ass off, and obfuscate to deflect. This should have a laugh track! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 It should be noted that the WH moved their briefing up on the schedule to coincide with Manfort/Gates court hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: It should be noted that the WH moved their briefing up on the schedule to coincide with Manfort/Gates court hearing. She's going to wheel our a WWII Vet and declare that any questions that aren't about his service are a slam in the face of America. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSkin Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 So Popadopoulos being a 'proactive cooperator' means he was potentially wearing a wire at times since his initial arrest in July? Oh goody! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 if there are tapes it will be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Chipwich predicted all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 With respect to Trump, what is the worse case scenario here still? Kushner or Trump jr. met with a known Russian operative and asked them to direct their fake news stories to specific topics and regions to tie into campaign ad buys and/or events? Even if there is evidence that Trmp knew, anybody think that gets him impeached? (Would that actually be illegal? Does it change if it is a wealthy American citizen? I'm not sure it would.) Has Trump testified under oath or submitted to questioning by the FBI? (I guess the worse case is that there were funds used in the campaign that came from Russia (illegally (not through an entity that was incorporated)) and Trump knew of it. But that seems unlikely as the legal end around is easy enough (have somebody setup an entity incorporated in the US and donate the money that way)) Realistically, what they did may have been very unsavory and not something that they want the public to know, but from a campaign stand point, I'm not sure the law that has been broken other than after the fact lying to the FBI and perjury. (Manafort and probably some other (Flynn) have probably broken laws before the campaign so you could see them going down for certain things.) With respect to Manafort being alive, why would Putin kill him? Does anybody really think Putin cares if we know that he helped Trump win? Certainly an extended investigation and prosecution only weakens the US (and democracy in general) globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, SoulSkin said: So Popadopoulos being a 'proactive cooperator' means he was potentially wearing a wire at times since his initial arrest in July? Oh goody! Wouldn’t that be awesome. I think it’s clear that keeping his arrest secret was highly strategic, I just wonder if the Administration knew. My gut says yes. MSNBC was just talking about how the unamed campaign officials was also strategic in that it demonstrates to Manafort and Gates that they need to cooperate because the Mueller already has what they need on them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, PeterMP said: With respect to Trump, what is the worse case scenario here still? They find Trump was involved in money laundering or other illegal activities with Russia *before* he became a candidate. It's been thrown around from the start that Trump might wind up in trouble for things in his past, depending on how bad they were and where the investigation goes. The hiring of finance, mafia, and eastern euro specialists for investigators was always sort of a weird thing for what was supposed to be election rigging. In terms of the russian interference in the election, I agree, I don't quite understand where the legal line is and what amount of evidence they'd need to get him on it. And currently, I have no idea where the line is for the GOP to turn on him. I've just seen them be OK with too many things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Peter, do you think that any of these clowns did anything on their own without Trump giving approval? I don't. He's such a control freak, especially about anything Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, PeterMP said: With respect to Trump, what is the worse case scenario here still? 7 more years? Worse for who? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, tshile said: They find Trump was involved in money laundering or other illegal activities with Russia *before* he became a candidate. It's been thrown around from the start that Trump might wind up in trouble for things in his past, depending on how bad they were and where the investigation goes. The hiring of finance, mafia, and eastern euro specialists for investigators was always sort of a weird thing for what was supposed to be election rigging. In terms of the russian interference in the election, I agree, I don't quite understand where the legal line is and what amount of evidence they'd need to get him on it. And currently, I have no idea where the line is for the GOP to turn on him. I've just seen them be OK with too many things. But it isn't even clear if you can indict a sitting President for a crime committed before he was President. Bill tried to argue he couldn't even be forced to testify in a the sexual harassment case. (Though, I guess the courts could rule against him as they did Bill.) Can Congress impeach for something done before he was elected? Edited October 30, 2017 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm about to play a big "What if" game here but I'm curious. What would happen if they look into trump and see that he's guilty of at least what Paul Manafort is accused of, what would happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Peter, do you think that any of these clowns did anything on their own without Trump giving approval? I don't. He's such a control freak, especially about anything Russia. He seems to be the opposite of control freak to me. He seems to not care about details at all as long as he gets the result that he wants. He certainly didn't seem to care about the details of the health care law. He just wanted a law. But assuming, he even knew, I'm not sure where the crime is (though I'm also not an election law expert). Again, let's assume that he knew that Kushner or Don Jr. was meeting with a Russian operative to coordinate campaign activities (e.g. events and ad buys) with Russian sponsored fake news stories, is that actually illegal? Edited October 30, 2017 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, PeterMP said: But it isn't even clear if you can indict a sitting President for a crime committed before he was President. Can Congress impeach for something done before he was elected? Congress can impeach of pretty much anything, i thought? Why does him being president now make him immune to prosecution for crimes beforehand? I guess I honestly don't know the answers to those... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Over all, this is probably good for the world and the country. Manafort was a slime ball and a really bad guy from everything I understand. Getting him behind bars can only be a good thing, but I still don't see where Trump is going down over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulSkin Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Wouldn’t that be awesome. I think it’s clear that keeping his arrest secret was highly strategic, I just wonder if the Administration knew. My gut says yes. MSNBC was just talking about how the unamed campaign officials was also strategic in that it demonstrates to Manafort and Gates that they need to cooperate because the Mueller already has what they need on them. I think the administration probably knew as well. I think they also know that Mueller already has lot of what he needs for what's to come further down the road as well. It's gonna be a chain reaction on up the line like spider cracks spreading on a windshield. The desperation smear campaigns today against Mueller on Fox and such are probably just getting revved up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Congress can impeach for most anything. 1 minute ago, spjunkies said: I'm about to play a big "What if" game here but I'm curious. What would happen if they look into trump and see that he's guilty of at least what Paul Manafort is accused of, what would happen? It would depend on if they see it, after all even Manafort is not guilty......yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 There isn't this small list of specific behaviors that are impeachable. If both parties are being harmed and the country is being embarrassed, they can kick the guy out for whatever they feel like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, tshile said: Congress can impeach of pretty much anything, i thought? Why does him being president now make him immune to prosecution for crimes beforehand? I guess I honestly don't know the answers to those... I'm not sure in terms of impeachment. In terms of a normal indictment: "A Constitutional Puzzle: Can the President Be Indicted?" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/us/politics/a-constitutional-puzzle-can-the-president-be-indicted.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, PeterMP said: Again, let's assume that he knew that Kushner or Don Jr. was meeting with a Russian operative to coordinate campaign activities (e.g. events and ad buys) with Russian sponsored fake news stories, is that actually illegal? If they're able to show the whole thing was designed so russia woul dhelp him get elected so he could do russia favors... ? seems like it certainly should be illegal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Chipwich predicted all of this. What ever happened to him? Edited October 30, 2017 by Momma There Goes That Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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