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The 2017 FA Thread - OP Updated with Signings (Sundberg, Galette, VD, Hood re-signed) *** Terrell McClain, Stacy McGee, DJ Swearinger, Terrelle Pryor, Chris Carter, Brian Quick, ZACH BROWN(!!)***

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I think the Redskins intend to draft a top pass rushing DE in the 1st round.  I think they are addressing the run stopping portion of the DLine in free agency, and intend to add to the pass rush in the draft.  Im not counting on Galette being healthy, so I think that likely means on passing downs you see Kerrigan, McClain, New Rookie DE, and Murphy/Preston Smith as the pass rush.  If the rookie is really good, we end up looking a lot better against the pass.  If he isnt, well, then we end up looking about the same I think.

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bobandweave

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3 minutes ago, CTskin said:

We're talking $1M/yr. For a KR/PR upgrade, I don't see how anyone would disagree with this being money well spent.

 

I'm no fan of CPATT, wth kinda nickname is that anyway, but we have to think about adding someone to the team to spell Crowder of returning duties. it's possible that Crowder becomes this teams 2nd WR option if Doctson struggles to produce. You can't have that job in the hands of someone we can not afford to lose. Which is the only reason CPATT makes any sense for us. However I think we can find that elsewhere cheaper and should go that route.

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Hmmm... I think we have an issue here...

 

absolutely none of these names play a position called ILB. 

 

Last I knew, the ILB position and the DL positions are what make up something called the "defensive front".

 

Without guys on said defensive front that fill your defense suffers.

 

Therefore, in conclusion I say, "where in the hell are the inside backers at!?!?"

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Just now, bobandweave said:

 

I'm no fan of CPATT, wth kinda nickname is that anyway, but we have to think about adding someone to the team to spell Crowder of returning duties. it's possible that Crowder becomes this teams 2nd WR option if Doctson struggles to produce. You can't have that job in the hands of someone we can not afford to lose. Which is the only reason CPATT makes any sense for us. However I think we can find that elsewhere cheaper and should go that route.

He's no WR, he's a KR specialist. The only time he'd play WR is to run a streak and hopefully draw a PI. At the price he'll command, to upgrade a position, it's money well spent. It's not like signing him would cost us a chance at signing multiple other FAs. 

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bobandweave

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5 minutes ago, CTskin said:

He's no WR, he's a KR specialist. The only time he'd play WR is to run a streak and hopefully draw a PI. At the price he'll command, to upgrade a position, it's money well spent. It's not like signing him would cost us a chance at signing multiple other FAs. 

 

Not to me. I get needing some one else to take over for Crowder but I want that someone else to add something else to the team. Make Chris Thompson do it, or a backup WR who costs less then a million to do or something. Never was a fan of the Devin Hesters/Desmond Howard all they can do is return kicks and punts players. Fun to watch, but those roster spaces are more useful elsewhere imo

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Just now, bobandweave said:

 

Not to me. I get needing some one else to take over for Crowder but I want that someone else to add something else to the team. Make Chris Thompson do it, or a backup WR who costs less then a million to do or something. Never was a fan of the Devin Hesters/Desmond Howard all they can do is return kicks and punts players. Fun to watch, but those roster spaces are more useful elsewhere imo

You're telling me a rarely used #5/6 WR, i.e. Ryan Grant, is more valuable to a team than Hester/Desmond Howard? I'm not saying Patterson is as productive as they were, but if he was, I'd gladly dump a garbage WR for him. Nevermind, that hypothetical takes this thread off topic. But, if we could land him for $2M, I'd be fine with it. Upgrades the KR position and it keeps Crowder off the field on special teams.

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40 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Therefore, in conclusion I say, "where in the hell are the inside backers at!?!?"

 

Someone mentioned they might be waiting for Hightower to set the market.   We haven't seen much about ilb for ant teams.  Hopefully that's the reason. 

 

Edit:  next post was about ilb...  haha.   Not signed though :)

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Not much choice for me in FA for ILB and Im guessing they are thinking the same thing. Sure you can throw cash at Hightower but does he fit what they want to do? I am the biggest Compton hater on the planet but Im also not one wanting to spend a ton of money on more jag defenders. Going to have to look to the draft for this spot IMO.

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bobandweave

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19 minutes ago, CTskin said:

You're telling me a rarely used #5/6 WR, i.e. Ryan Grant, is more valuable to a team than Hester/Desmond Howard? I'm not saying Patterson is as productive as they were, but if he was, I'd gladly dump a garbage WR for him. Nevermind, that hypothetical takes this thread off topic. But, if we could land him for $2M, I'd be fine with it. Upgrades the KR position and it keeps Crowder off the field on special teams.

 

In today's NFL with the rules today absolutely I'm saying that. I would never use a roster spot on a guy who can only return kicks. Depth is too important to do that not to mention the way other teams treat those players.

 

In the league today if you have a guy that can return kickoffs and punts well what teams are going to kick to him? No one

 

So we dress 5 receivers for the game with one of them who can't catch but can return punts and then what happens when someone gets injured? We have no depth. Returners need to be successful at other areas of the team to be kept around. A guy like CPATT if he was important to a teams future would be picked up in an instant instead of searching for work under every rock like he is now. It's a different league now and I don't think this works in the NFL today

 

And 2 million bucks? Serious? That would be like a million dollars a TD on a return. Way too much

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Honestly, I'd be up for kicking the tires on Cordarelle Patterson, partly because we'd get to see Zoony struggle to spell his name, and partly because he might still turn out to be something worthwhile besides a return specialist. If he's cheap, there's not much that can go wrong. Worst comes to worst, he's a preseason cut. Best comes to best, he's a WR that comes into his own on a new team.

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5 minutes ago, bobandweave said:

 

In today's NFL with the rules today absolutely I'm saying that. I would never use a roster spot on a guy who can only return kicks. Depth is too important to do that not to mention the way other teams treat those players.

 

In the league today if you have a guy that can return kickoffs and punts well what teams are going to kick to him? No one

 

So we dress 5 receivers for the game with one of them who can't catch but can return punts and then what happens when someone gets injured? We have no depth. Returners need to be successful at other areas of the team to be kept around. A guy like CPATT if he was important to a teams future would be picked up in an instant instead of searching for work under every rock like he is now. It's a different league now and I don't think this works in the NFL today

 

And 2 million bucks? Serious? That would be like a million dollars a TD on a return. Way too much

Clearly we agree to disagree.

 

I'd argue that Patterson is every bit the WR that Grant is... I think we'd be losing nothing in that department, honestly probably gaining something in a big speedster, and then add the KR ability on top of it. Patterson was head and shoulders better than the 2nd best returner in the league last year. I remember hearing something like he averaged 5 more yards than the next best KR. That's much more gamechanging than anything Grant will ever produce.

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Redskins Reparations

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1 hour ago, KDawg said:

Hmmm... I think we have an issue here...

 

absolutely none of these names play a position called ILB. 

 

Last I knew, the ILB position and the DL positions are what make up something called the "defensive front".

 

Without guys on said defensive front that fill your defense suffers.

 

Therefore, in conclusion I say, "where in the hell are the inside backers at!?!?"

I would think Martrell Spaight and Mason Foster would be opening this season as the starting ILBs with Compton in a rotational role. That is until we address our lack of talent at ILB and draft either Reuben Foster or Zach Cunningham with our our first rounder. I know...take it too the draft thread.

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SkinsTillIDie

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Could definitely see this team waiting until after the draft before making a significant move at ILB in free agency. If we end up drafting, say, Reuben Foster and Budda Baker -- suddenly, Baker becomes our Duron Harmon, a third safety coming in for nickel packages (and playing 50% of snaps) as Su'a Cravens moves to nickel ILB. Mason Foster is a solid enough run-down backer, and our glaring need doesn't seem so glaring.

 

I also expect some pretty good ILBs to be available in post-draft, June 1st cuts. We added two 'blues' in DeSean and Norman well after the early stages of free agency -- can't overstate the virtues of patience this time of year.

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bobandweave

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19 minutes ago, CTskin said:

Clearly we agree to disagree.

 

I'd argue that Patterson is every bit the WR that Grant is... I think we'd be losing nothing in that department, honestly probably gaining something in a big speedster, and then add the KR ability on top of it. Patterson was head and shoulders better than the 2nd best returner in the league last year. I remember hearing something like he averaged 5 more yards than the next best KR. That's much more gamechanging than anything Grant will ever produce.

 

Ryan Grant counts 690K on the cap this year, CPATT will cost several million when signed. More to it then simply if a guy can return kicks.

 

Can CPATT cover kick returns? The WR4-WR5 has to play special teams, not just return them. To me if a guy can return kicks the other team won't kick to them. Seen that everywhere and for a long time.

 

Plus if CPATT was a difference maker as you said the headline wouldn't be - "CPATT has to take a team friendly deal to come back to Vikings" - Because difference makers like Desean Jackson sure didn't have to take a friendly deal. Difference makers like Tyreke Hill who also can return kicks extremely well are having talks about them getting the ball more in the passing game and expanding his role in that offense. This isn't happening for him

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8327/cordarrelle-patterson

 

In other words we can agree to disagree on this but if the NFL saw him the way you seem to think this would be much different for him then it is

 

 

 

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