skinsmarydu Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, mistertim said: "The Courts are making it impossible for me to do whatever I want without any checks on my power. Bad!" He'll find a way to tweet himself into the SB. Mark my words. He knows no bounds on self-love. Guess what, you idiot? You gotta get a boner about more than your daughter to run my country. I don't think I've ever heard or sang the National Anthem without crying. The last line is a question. It's more in question every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jumbo Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Today Jesus broke tradition with the Holy Trinity's official policy of media silence between resurrections to comment: "Me ****ing Me, Donald, could you please not be such a total ****ball. Intelligent design, my ass. Think I'd pull the plug right now 'cept I've been waiting for GOT's last season. You dumb****s better figure this **** out. Winter is coming" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twa Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 a defense shouldn't be difficult since precedent is overwhelmingly on their side. not that that means much at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Evil Genius Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) When a driving force of the economy doesn't back you... http://www.computerworld.com/article/3165773/it-industry/key-tech-companies-oppose-trump-immigration-order-in-court.html Key tech companies oppose Trump immigration order in court Quote Google, Facebook, Intel, Netflix, Microsoft, Apple and Twitter are among a large group of companies that have filed a brief in opposition to an immigration order by U.S. President Donald Trump, citing the benefits to industry from liberal immigration rules and the disruption to business as a result of the regulation. A total of 97 companies from technology and other sectors asked permission late Sunday from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit to file an amici curiae, also known as a friends-of-the-court brief, in favor of maintaining a restraining order from a lower court on Trump’s decision that restricts the entry of certain classes of visitors from seven Muslim-majority countries. "Immigrants are among our leading entrepreneurs, politicians, artists, and philanthropists," according to the filing, which stated that in the past the U.S. has maintained its commitment to welcoming immigrants, while also protecting the country through increased background checks and other controls on people seeking to enter the country. [ Further reading: Trump immigration ban means a war with tech ] The executive order signed by Trump on Jan. 27 suspended for 90 days entry into the U.S. of immigrants and non-immigrants from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, leading to a storm of criticism, including from the tech industry. Tech companies see the restrictions as the first in a number of curbs planned by the Trump administration on the entry to the U.S. of skilled workers the industry relies on, including probably a tighter H-1B visa program. Trump's executive order was challenged by Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson, who asked the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington to invalidate parts of the executive order for a number of reasons, including that it discriminates in the issuance of immigrant visas on the basis of race, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence. District Court Senior Judge James L. Robart granted Friday a temporary restraining order on the travel restrictions, which the federal government asked the appeals court to stay through an emergency motion. Edited February 6, 2017 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riggo-toni Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) To me by far the most troubling aspects of the Bannon presidency is its contempt for the industries that in fact make America great - hi tech and exports, whilst extolling the virtues of dying industries like coal and steel. This absurd nostalgia for a 1950s economy has had its elements in the GOP since Dole's listless campaign, but now this potentially disastrous retrofit has gone from wistful delusions to full blown policy implementation. To Bannon, Silicon Valley is an unAmerican aberration, with its vast number of Asians succeeding beyond their white counterparts. It is undoubtedly quite easy to propagate this myopic worldview into the mind of a simpleton like Trump, who was born into privilege at a time when his father's business, real estate, was king. The Donald grew up believing he would be second only to the Helmsleys in the NY aristocracy. Instead, he finds himself in a world where guys named Zuckerberg and Bloomberg are counting their vastly greater fortunes rather than his money; where the son of a Syrian immigrant built the wealthiest company in America; and a young guy named Cuban can mock his comparatively puny fortune. Oh, to go back to an age when being born to a rich white family was king! An interesting tidbit from F Zakaria yesterday - Not only did Hillary win more votes, but her voters generate nearly 2/3 of GDP. Trump's protectionist, nativist policies are going to reduce America from the greatness it is now to an also ran, a second rate economic power. The damage he may do could well end up being irreversible, as tech and research centers migrate to more appreciative shores, while American math and science scores continue to decline. Once industries settle in an area, they tend to dominate for generations - consider America's film industry began by Ashkenazi immigrants who pooled their resources to create Nickelodeons a century ago, or continued German preeminence in chemical manufacturing, which began even earlier. Now think about what the long term effects will be of choking off the premier industry of the future rather than nurturing its development. Edited February 6, 2017 by Riggo-toni 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 28 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: An interesting tidbit from F Zakaria yesterday - Not only did Hillary win more votes, but her voters generate nearly 2/3 of GDP. Trump's protectionist, nativist policies are going to reduce America from the greatness it is now to an also ran, a second rate economic power. The damage he may do could well end up irreversible, as tech and research centers migrate to more appreciative shores, while American math and science scores continue to decline. Once industries settle in an area, they tend to dominate for generations - consider America's film industry began by Ashkenazi immigrants who pooled their resources to create Nickelodeons a century ago, or continued German preeminence in chemical manufacturing, which began even earlier. Now think about what the long term effects will be of choking off the premier industry of the future rather than nurturing its development. We're going to literally repeat one of Hitler's worst mistakes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Göttingen#.22Great_purge.22_of_1933 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gbear Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 ABIM Statement: Travel Ban Threatens to Disrupt Patient Care Philadelphia, January 31, 2017 — The American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) certifies more than 200,000 physicians across America and in 60 countries around the world. These internists and subspecialists, of all ethnicities and religions, differentiate themselves every day through their specialized knowledge and commitment to excellent patient care. ABIM is proud of the diversity represented in the internal medicine community. Millions of patients with a wide variety of conditions—including arthritis, diabetes, heart disease and cancer–rely on ABIM Board Certified doctors as their primary care physicians and specialists. We all share an interest in assuring that patients receive treatment from highly qualified physicians. ABIM has determined that there are nearly 1,200 physicians in U.S. internal medicine residencies or fellowship training programs from the seven countries listed in the recent federal travel ban. We are greatly concerned about the impact the recent travel ban could have on the pipeline of young physicians who represent the future of the profession and who will provide care to Americans everywhere over the course of their careers. It is in no one's interest to prevent or restrict people of different nationalities and faiths from advancing medicine and science. ABIM is committed to doing what we can to protect these physicians scheduled to take Certification and Maintenance of Certification exams in the coming months from any negative impact from this ban. ABIM will do all it can to accommodate these physicians and will reach out to offer assistance, including waiving the international test center fee for those physicians caught outside of the United States as a result of this ban. We encourage those impacted to contact us with questions and concerns at 1-800-441-2246 or email request@abim.org. ABIM Board Certified Doctors Make a Difference Internists and subspecialists who earn and maintain board certification from the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) differentiate themselves every day through their specialized knowledge and commitment to continual learning in service of their patients. Established as an independent nonprofit more than 80 years ago, ABIM continues to be driven by doctors who want to achieve higher standards for better care in a rapidly changing world. Visit ABIM's blog to learn more and follow ABIM on Facebook and Twitter. ABIM is a member of the American Board of Medical Specialties. http://www.abim.org/news/abim-statement-travel-ban-threatens-to-disrupt-patient-care.aspx It is not just the tech industries. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larry Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 BTW, also on the topic of immigration, anybody got opinions/info on Trump's supposed order to "cut off federal funds" to sanctuary cities? I confess, I really haven't heard much at all about it. Just did a quick Google, and came up with this WaPo article, which pretty much is everything I know about the subject. And it's not much. Like, for example, it looks like nobody knows what funds Trump thinks he can cut off. (The WaPo article says that apparently there's numerous court decisions saying that he can only cut off funds that are related to federal immigration laws. And apparently there's very little money in that bucket.) (And, if I'm reading it correctly, and the only funds he can threaten are funds intended to reimburse localities for the costs of assisting the Feds? Then I certainly think he has the power to divert that money towards those localities that actually are assisting the Feds. That's what the funds are for.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I can't speak to the legalities of it or what funds he could cut off but it is one of the things I agree with trump doing. You shouldn't be able to pick and choose what federal laws you enforce. Don't like the laws? Get them changed. And I said the same thing with Obama and weed laws. Am I am very pro weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 50 minutes ago, Larry said: BTW, also on the topic of immigration, anybody got opinions/info on Trump's supposed order to "cut off federal funds" to sanctuary cities? I confess, I really haven't heard much at all about it. Just did a quick Google, and came up with this WaPo article, which pretty much is everything I know about the subject. And it's not much. Like, for example, it looks like nobody knows what funds Trump thinks he can cut off. (The WaPo article says that apparently there's numerous court decisions saying that he can only cut off funds that are related to federal immigration laws. And apparently there's very little money in that bucket.) (And, if I'm reading it correctly, and the only funds he can threaten are funds intended to reimburse localities for the costs of assisting the Feds? Then I certainly think he has the power to divert that money towards those localities that actually are assisting the Feds. That's what the funds are for.) Related to federal immigration law can be quite expansive.....kinda like the Commerce clause Gets more interesting once it hits the state level. Our Gov cut over a $1M to Travis county and has threatened to remove officials from office. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/26/texas-gov-abbott-threatens-to-oust-officials-who-promote-sanctuary-cities.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I can't speak to the legalities of it or what funds he could cut off but it is one of the things I agree with trump doing. You shouldn't be able to pick and choose what federal laws you enforce. 1) So you don;t believe in state's rights? 2) Just pointing out that local jurisdictions do not have the power to enforce any federal laws. Helping out the Feds is a courtesy. (Although I think a case can be made that it's a good one.) 10 minutes ago, twa said: Related to federal immigration law can be quite expansive.....kinda like the Commerce clause Yes, I fully expect Trump (and you) to try to stretch things to Ludicrous level. Edited February 7, 2017 by Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Many federal funds are a courtesy to cities . Should be fun to play the Liberals game.....and watch them get all states rightsie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Larry said: 1) So you don;t believe in state's rights? 2) Just pointing out that local jurisdictions do not have the power to enforce any federal laws. Helping out the Feds is a courtesy. (Although I think a case can be made that it's a good one.) Yes, I fully expect Trump (and you) to try to stretch things to Ludicrous level. States rights come with states responsibilities....like paying for your own crap. On a more serious note I do realize there are somethings that have to be done at a federal level with immigration being one. And states should be there to assist with that. I'm not asking them to enforce the laws, just call the Feds and hold illegals who have broken the law and the state comes across. I fully admit I have not done a ton of research on this so there may be details I'm missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Yeah, I was considering pointing out that, if you compare this issue to the marajuana one, that at least immigration is something which the Feds have legitimate jurisdiction over. And, although a "courtesy", I have to say that I think society is better off if law enforcement agencies cooperate. If police department X does the "courtesy" of calling up police department Y, and saying "Hey, we got this guy who you folks have a warrant out on. Y'all want him?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I believe the requirement to notify the feds is law, with that supremacy thingie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just so we are clear, no sanctuary city is violating Federal law. No municipality that I know of is violating requirement to send fingerprints of arrested to FBI, where it gets shared with ICE. Where rubber meets the road is when fingerprint identifies an illegal immigrant and ICE sends a detainer request to the municipality, buying time for ICE to obtain a warrant. There is no legal requirement to comply. Sanctuary cities will typically decline all detainer requests for illegals without prior felony and not on terror watch list. This is because current law makes honoring detainer voluntary. If Trump doesn't like it, I suggest he work with Congress to change the law instead of threatening Federal funding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 This American Life put together an nice podcast regarding the travel ban with some interesting info on our current vetting process. https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/609/it’s-working-out-very-nicely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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