tshile Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 25 minutes ago, spjunkies said: Trump is on a fast track to impeachment so maybe we can avoid the disaster scenario. 2 years. I give it 2 years. Also not convinced the best thing for the dems is for pence to be in charge. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, tshile said: 2 years. I give it 2 years. Also not convinced the best thing for the dems is for pence to be in charge. It's not. Pence will look all too sane after Trump. That ups Pence's chances for election in 2020. But this is no time for political triangulation, there are greater concerns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, tshile said: 2 years. I give it 2 years. Also not convinced the best thing for the dems is for pence to be in charge. That's what scares me. Pence will be just as much of a problem. We are literally ****ed sideways here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Just now, DogofWar1 said: It's not. Pence will look all too sane after Trump. That ups Pence's chances for election in 2020. But this is no time for political triangulation, there are greater concerns. That's what you think the concern is? Pence will make a run for 2020? I was thinking more: has house, senate, governors, scotus nominations federal judge appointments.... He'll turn back the progressive movement and put sufficient road blocks in place to lock things up for 15 years. 2020 election will be irrelevant for the progressive ideals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, tshile said: 2 years. I give it 2 years. Also not convinced the best thing for the dems is for pence to be in charge. I rather have Pence over Trump. Pence would be George W. Bush, maybe more insane. But I rather have a religious conservative than a white nationalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, redskins59 said: I rather have Pence over Trump. Pence would be George W. Bush, maybe more insane. But I rather have a religious conservative than a white nationalist. Nothing trump has done can be undone. I don't expect that to change, except for maybe healthcare. Trump will likely waste his political capital. I think pence will get every last drop out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said: I believe a reasonable donation to the ACLU is in order. #patriotism Chipped in $100 last night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, tshile said: Nothing trump has done can be undone. I don't expect that to change, except for maybe healthcare. Trump will likely waste his political capital. I think pence will get every last drop out of it. Well, but at least Pence is a politician. Every job needs experience,including political jobs. Pence would not cause the chaos that Trump created by the immigration ban, where we have some people stuck and have no idea where to go. This was because of Trump's experience. He would at least discuss things with his staff before making a judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Edited January 29, 2017 by skinsfan_1215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, tshile said: Nothing trump has done can be undone. I don't expect that to change, except for maybe healthcare. Trump will likely waste his political capital. I think pence will get every last drop out of it. If Trump for whatever reason is booted. I think its a safe bet he turns his anger on everyone...including Pence. He'll say Pence gave him bad advice and is disloyal. I just hope that guys like Spicer and Reince live long enough to be referred to as enemies of the American Ideal in history books. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, tshile said: That's what you think the concern is? Pence will make a run for 2020? I was thinking more: has house, senate, governors, scotus nominations federal judge appointments.... He'll turn back the progressive movement and put sufficient road blocks in place to lock things up for 15 years. 2020 election will be irrelevant for the progressive ideals. Again, greater concerns are in play here. I fully understand the potential damage Pence could do. But that would be within the context of a system that is at least somewhat stable and standing. Yes, the social damage would be tremendous. Yes, the economic harms would be serious. But Pence would, hopefully, expel Bannon and Flynn, and put people in place who at least sorta kinda take things seriously. He'd likely re-affirm NATO. He'd keep the pressure on Russians. He'd likely try to re-establish trading links with SE Asia to slow Chinese economic gains. Trump has the potential to, and seems to want to, totally dismantle the institutions that helped protect the US, and keep it at the top. Social damage can be fixed. Yes, it will suck for that 15-20 years, but the damage can be undone. Economic damage can be fixed, but only if we don't totally become protectionist and kill off our ability to utilize globalization for economic gain. Pence is the sequel to Bush 43. Bigger, badder, more ridiculous in every way. Jaws 2 to Bush 43's Jaws. Trump is "The Room." He's going to destroy everything we hold dear and burn any bridges back. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Edited January 29, 2017 by visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 simply being a lawyer and there does not grant you access unless that was one wild court order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Edited January 29, 2017 by visionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins59 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Supposedly from some rogue staff. I can't be sure, but it's interesting: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 So it took 9 days for Trump to completely disregard the constitution and attempt to circumvent the judicial branch. 21st century America's own little brand of fascism. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Well this is some Nazi **** right here. I hope that people paying attention would know that I'm not one who is prone to exaggeration or hyperbole. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Aw man I spent 7 hours in DC yesterday. Looks like I missed the protest by a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 27 minutes ago, redskins59 said: Supposedly from some rogue staff. I can't be sure, but it's interesting: I don't trust those accounts, but Preibus did seem flustered this morning on the Meet The Press this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, FanboyOf91 said: I don't trust those accounts, but Preibus did seem flustered this morning on the Meet The Press this morning. Chuck had 'em on the ropes LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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s0crates Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1. The ACLU is fighting the good fight on this. https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/aclu-and-other-groups-challenge-trump-immigration-ban-after-refugees-detained 2. A lot of right wing commentators are pointing out that Obama did this kind of thing. Here's an article examining those claims: http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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