PeterMP Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Well, I'm moderately conservative, moderate enough to realize that climate change is the reality, beyond any reasonable doubt in my mind. Is it the result of human influence? My answer is also, almost certainly yes. Are there other factors in play, such as "natural stuff we can't control?" Probably not, after all the earth just doesn't change on its own very quickly (save for an asteroid strike or mega-volcano of some sort, which is like a one in everyone 200 million year occurrence). The question for me has always been this-- where do we draw the line, in particular when we live in this global community where everyone else has to be on board. Bottom line is that is easier and cheaper to produce goods without restrictive environmental regulation. Less cost, more production, better economy relative to our competitors on an international scale. If we give a foot, how many inches do we need China to give? Or Russia? Or India? Is this just a global game of chicken? And if we submit while our competitors don't, are we going to lose our position as the economic powerhouse? Does that effect our national defense? Any here honestly want China acting as the world's police force? Is it too much of a gamble to invest in green energy now, because that's based on an assumption that it will not only be cheaper, but at least equally efficient in 30 years? Fossil fuel resources remain abundant. One thing I love about that sneaky little Obama guy (other than the fact that he had the nuts to finish off Bin Laden by invading the sovereignty of a feux-ally) is that the U.S. is now (correct me if i'm wrong) the No. 1 producer of oil in the world, thanks to new methods of extraction (maybe its all forms of energy, I know natural gas and fracking is big). And we have massive, untapped off shore oil reserves, not to mention Alaska. Gives us a nice little cushion to continue the green energy charge, and I believe we need to take the lead. Just not at the expense of sacrificing too much. Ahh who cares what I think. This **** is above my pay grade. This is an argument for efforts to (aggressively) mitigate the likely results of climate change. If you don't think everybody else is going to do things about climate change in effective manner, then it would only make sense to start doing things to deal with the likely results. There are various things that could be done in terms of land use issues that many environmentalists would actually eagerly support. Things like limiting growth along water and protecting and even increasing wet lands and flood plains. Better water management practices in many parts of the country will be needed too. Generally, those are all things that environmentalists support. But those things are anti-Republican too. There doesn't seem to be a single thing that the vast majority of elected Republicans seem like they can actually propose with respect to climate change, other than provide excuses. If the Republican party stepped forward and said, this is an issue, but realistically we can't change the whole world so this is likely to happen no matter what we do, but here are 4 things we support doing that potentially will help mitigate the effects in the US based on the current science, the conversation in this thread (and the climate change conversation in general) would be very different. **EDIT** On a side note, last year was the warmest year on record not associated with an El Nino (where El Nino years are normally warmer). This year is going to be even warmer. May and June were the warmest May and June on record, and while El Nino appears as if it is trying to form (and is probably contributing to the recent hot months), we still don't have an El Nino. We went through a lull where the solar cycle was low (and is still low as compared to previous solar cycles), but we are reaching the peak of this solar cycle if we couple that in the next few years to a good El Nino, we are going to have a scorcher of a year (assuming no counter affecting things like massive volcano eruptions). Edited August 1, 2014 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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