MartinC Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Can he play C? We do not have a quality C on the team and I'm counting McGlynn. Lich? No way he's bulking up enough to play C under Gruden. I've seen a couple of references from John Keim that he has talked to scouts from other teams that think Long projects very well as a centre and is a very solid pick with that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I agree with the thoughts that Long has been drafted as an OG with potential future / option to switch to C if that's deemed appropriate. Can't say that's a bad thing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Fortunately there haven't been many obvious reaches - Josh LeRibius and Ladell Betts are the only two that come to mind recently. Those two don't belong in the same sentence. Ladell Betts was a productive starter for the Skins. LeRib may never play a snap in a regular season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Is he corn-fed? I'm going to be extremely disappointed if he is not corn-fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Is he corn-fed? I'm going to be extremely disappointed if he is not corn-fed. He would be the top overall pick in the draft* if he'd stayed in school for 3 more years *CFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Can he play C? We do not have a quality C on the team and I'm counting McGlynn. Lich? No way he's bulking up enough to play C under Gruden. Moving the German to C. Hopefully he can stay above 280lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Acre Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Those two don't belong in the same sentence. Ladell Betts was a productive starter for the Skins. LeRib may never play a snap in a regular season game. Betts may have been a productive starter (1,139 IIRC) but he was a reach as a 2nd round pick. I had never heard of him before the Skins took him. He would have gone in the 2nd regardless? Hasn't LeRib played a few regular season snaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holyhogsbatman Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 mcglynn is 13-4 as a starting center in the league. no one else on the roster has started a game at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98ORAKPO98 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/long-walk-nfl “I like to think I’m a pretty well rounded player,” he said. “I can get out it space, get up to the second level. I think I’m pretty fast for an O-lineman.” “I’ve played all three interior [line positions], my most experience is at right guard but I have played a little bit of center. Which does he prefer? “I like guard a little better; I’d rather just not have a ball in my hand,” he said. “But I like the mental game of center, making the calls, that’s pretty fun.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I kinda laugh at all the talk about over valuing a guy. This is a guy who was very high before his injury, and who some of the "draft experts" dropped because of his injury. How many teams dropped him though? And the talk of other guards is cool, but I'm guessing that there's something we like in Long that's not in guys like G. Jackson. I look at the fact that he was ranked in most draft boards as a mid round guy, which is where we got him. The fact that he's ready to go this weekend makes me think that many teams didn't drop him too far off their boards because he's fully recovered. Just my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Good post TS...JLC holds little to no credibility around here but he was reporting prior to the draft that some teams had Long slated as a second rounder. Fact is the pick is in and he's a third rounder. That's where we took him. His value won't be determined until we see what he does in the pro's. Gruden and co are making the right noises about him which bodes well IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Gruden made pains to mention this guy in his minicamp review. He was critical of a lot of guys, but seemed to be praising Long. Good sign most likely or a sign he needs to be built up. I suspect it's the former. From what I read he did a good job, but was beaten by speed once or twice. We could use a guy who can win 3rd and short battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 mcglynn is 13-4 as a starting center in the league. no one else on the roster has started a game at the position. Really?...Giving credit for wins and losses to an OLineman? If so, Trent William's w/l record should make him one of the worst linemen in the NFL lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I am quietly hoping that Long pushes for and takes the starting C job, and that one of Foersters projects from last year finally emerges at G. LOL at Long that all things equal, would rather not have the ball in his hands. I can understand that. He otherwise seems to embrace responsibilities of being a C and I am skeptical that Lichtensteiger having presume added a bunch of weight, will not be as effective a player as he was last year in his new body. If he is I wonder why he did not bulk up long ago like his peers. I think its imperative to have a push from our C so that we can run QB sneaks this year. I am glad to have Long on board. We have had almost no push inside for far too long and its high time it be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I don't think this pick is as big of a reach as some think. Even those draft gurus that knock the pick seem to admit Long was rated pretty high pre-injury. The rankings for him are all over the place, but there's a good amount of people that saw him as a 3rd rounder or at least a potential 3rd rounder pre-injury (and since his injury was not super serious, I don't think you should knock him too much for it). Josh LeRibeus seemed to be a much more universal reach. Only time will tell if the pick was worth it. We picked a G who was rated a 3rd rd talent before he blew his knee out, in the 3rd rd??? Where's the value in that? We took a risk when you factor in the knee, for a player who in all likelihood would have been available without an injured knee...doesn't seem like a smart job on our part? Especially with the guards that were available, without injury concerns. LeRibeus from what I remember, had a couple of teams planning on drafting him in the same rd not far behind us. And who knows, he just might have finally matured to the point that he finally takes his job seriously, and can justify his pick. All accounts are...that he's working extremely hard to be ready for this season, we shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 ...for a player who in all likelihood would have been available without an injured knee... What is this based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 What is this based on? It's based on the post I quoted?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thekyle1591 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Long didn't blow out his knee, he tore his MCL and PCL and is fully healed and has been at 100% since March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Ribs played some Center in rookie camp the year he was drafted, Long can also play the position. If every position is up for competition as Grudes has said, this may bode well for our interior line down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 It's based on the post I quoted?????? More accurately, it's based on the logic you applied to the post you quoted lol...I thought there might have been something more substantial behind your logic, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 We picked a G who was rated a 3rd rd talent before he blew his knee out, in the 3rd rd??? Where's the value in The value is that we deemed that the injury was not serious and this shouldn't affect his draft position. So he was ranked as a third rounder, and we got him in the third round. Notice, he's not missing minicamp right now, so its not hurting us. All it did is cause him to not participate in a lot of the drills of the combine. So if you're a team or a draft analyzer that goes off those measurables in shorts, then yeah you drop him for that. But when you actually read the scouting reports and see that just about every one of them declares him as a legit starter on the next level, its easy to believe that the teams and scouts - who are generally following players for a much longer time than just in the period post super bowl - probably didn't drop him. Its cool to compare this pick to the LeRib pick, but a few things we know about Shanahan in general - he generally likes these linemen that nobody wants (Lich and Polumbus, for example) - our scouts / scouting department had a problem finding him linemen in general from college. I think the only one who's seen significant time is Trent Williams. And that was a toss up between him and Okung. - Shanny has a dog house that's pretty hard to get out of. Last year was a prime time to put in LeRib over Chester, particularly when Tuck just embarrased him, but Shanny just stayed with his way. We've seen this with other players before and it was one of my pet peeves with Shanny. But all that said, you can look at the draft reports for him (Leribeus) and they were all over the place as well. So this means that some teams valued him high and some didn't. I think he's more of a case of our scouts thinking they'd found a good guard, and Shanny saying that he's not "my type" of a guard. We'll see though in the upcoming months to years just how good both these picks were though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 But all that said, you can look at the draft reports for him (Leribeus) and they were all over the place as well. So this means that some teams valued him high and some didn't. I think he's more of a case of our scouts thinking they'd found a good guard, and Shanny saying that he's not "my type" of a guard. We'll see though in the upcoming months to years just how good both these picks were though. Plus, the Eagles' beat reporters were saying that Philly's interest in drafting Long was legitimate and real...he may not have gotten past them in the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 More accurately, it's based on the logic you applied to the post you quoted lol...I thought there might have been something more substantial behind your logic, though. Or, your just trying to overcomplicate something that is fairly simple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 The value is that we deemed that the injury was not serious and this shouldn't affect his draft position. So he was ranked as a third rounder, and we got him in the third round. Notice, he's not missing minicamp right now, so its not hurting us. All it did is cause him to not participate in a lot of the drills of the combine. So if you're a team or a draft analyzer that goes off those measurables in shorts, then yeah you drop him for that. But when you actually read the scouting reports and see that just about every one of them declares him as a legit starter on the next level, its easy to believe that the teams and scouts - who are generally following players for a much longer time than just in the period post super bowl - probably didn't drop him. Its cool to compare this pick to the LeRib pick, but a few things we know about Shanahan in general - he generally likes these linemen that nobody wants (Lich and Polumbus, for example) - our scouts / scouting department had a problem finding him linemen in general from college. I think the only one who's seen significant time is Trent Williams. And that was a toss up between him and Okung. - Shanny has a dog house that's pretty hard to get out of. Last year was a prime time to put in LeRib over Chester, particularly when Tuck just embarrased him, but Shanny just stayed with his way. We've seen this with other players before and it was one of my pet peeves with Shanny. But all that said, you can look at the draft reports for him (Leribeus) and they were all over the place as well. So this means that some teams valued him high and some didn't. I think he's more of a case of our scouts thinking they'd found a good guard, and Shanny saying that he's not "my type" of a guard. We'll see though in the upcoming months to years just how good both these picks were though. The thing is; teams were not following Long because of the injury in which he could not perform at the combine, the Skins were 1 of a few who were at his pro day, so you would have to figure he would have been available later, is that a guarantee? Nothing is for certain, but in all likelihood yes. As far as our personnel dept. under MS? I would say our personnel dept. prior to MS did nothing for our O-line...Who knows right now it could turn out well, if Long goes to center, I like the pick a lot more, my feeling is our center position has been at the heart of our O-line problems forever, undersized centers being pushed back into the backfield constantly, which is why I really wanted M. Martin in the 3rd. but Long will due, just so leery of players with knee surgeries. If that is true about LeRibeus and MS? We will find out pretty soon under Gruden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Those two don't belong in the same sentence. Ladell Betts was a productive starter for the Skins. LeRib may never play a snap in a regular season game. When deciding how much credit to give to your post, I will take into account the fact that LeRibeus has already started an NFL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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