nonniey Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 The one caution I have in damning Trump's rhetoric is an old story from the Reagan years. Supposedly in 1983, Reagan got on the red phone and called the Kremlin. He warned them that it was about to be election season and in his campaign he was going to say some awful things about Russia, but not to worry because he didn't mean any of them. It was just tripe to star up the masses and get votes. Reagan then proceeded to go on the campaign trail and eviscerated Russia. Republicans and Reagan Democrats were impressed by how "tough" Reagan was and happily gave him another term in office. The toughness though was, at least in part, a sham. Russia was happy to play along with Reagan's propaganda/chest thumping. The difference between Reagan and Russia and Trump and Islamic Terrorists/Extremists is substantial. We all know that Islamic terrorists react very badly to words. Draw a cartoon of Muhammad and you're likely to find yourself bombed. They use these rhetoric as catalysts and excuses for more violence. So insulting the Muslim people and trying to emulate Reagan may stir up the American masses, but it isn't going to cow and intimidate the terrorists. Likely, it will provoke them. Good grief you are now attributing Obama's faux pas to Reagan. Unbelievable and it wasn't even that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Heh, I don't think the dems should be hurling rocks in this glass house. Why? Is their a moderate Republican in the race? I can think of at least one moderate Democrat still in it. Or maybe the comment wasn't about extremists (like I thought Burgold was making)??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 What a state for the Republicans to be in when the best in their field is Trump and Cruz. What a state for the Democrats to be in when the best in their field is Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 What a state for the Republicans to be in when the best in their field is Trump and Cruz. I guess that depends on point of view. I know lots of Republicans who equally feel the same in the opposite direction. "What a state for the Democrats to be in when the best in their field is Hillary and Sanders." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Good grief you are now attributing Obama's faux pas to Reagan. Unbelievable and it wasn't even that long ago. How the hell did you get Obama out of that story? He mentioned Reagan and Trump only. The difference between Reagan and Russia and Trump and Islamic Terrorists/Extremists is substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Heh, I don't think the dems should be hurling rocks in this glass house. Especially since GOP turnout is record highs ,whereas Dems are down significantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Especially since GOP turnout is record highs ,whereas Dems are down significantly You realize that primary turnout, when comparing a race with two candidates to a race with 1,500 candidates, is utterly irrelevant, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 So the 3yr old (now illegal alien) who was brought here with his mom and dad and then stayed past his visa is a criminal, JMS? Again, I can see how your world view lines up to the Donald's. Genius, my world view has nothing to do with what is and is not criminal. Every country in the world had immigration laws. Ours do not make us an immoral people. Are you advocating we should unilaterally not enforce immigration laws? If you are you are part of the problem which created a system where 60-70,000 unattended minors appeared on our boarders. I wonder how many unattended minors died trying to get too our boarders lured by the false promise of legal status. I'm sorry, your solution is orders of magnitude worse than your red herring argument poised. Again I can see how your world view creates more problems, suffering, and victims on both sides of the boarders than it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Why? Is their a moderate Republican in the race? Cruz is a moderate , relatively speaking to Hillary or the Socialist....or Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 What a state for the Republicans to be in when the best in their field is Trump and Cruz. LOL. This coming from someone who is a Democrat who's party will nominate Hillary. I'd say any of the Republicans are better than her with the exception of Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 You realize that primary turnout, when comparing a race with two candidates to a race with 1,500 candidates, is utterly irrelevant, right? No getting folk out, involved and voting is significant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 How the hell did you get Obama out of that story? He mentioned Reagan and Trump only. It was Obama that called the Russians and stated the election season story not Reagan. He was roundly criticized for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergasun Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Trump has not made it huge policy, but he proposes a Bush-like tax cut for the rich while also talking about "balancing the budget". Kasich is the only person on the GOP sign who I have heard as a moderate on the deficit... so... I would like to see a debate focussed soley om Federal budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Good grief you are now attributing Obama's faux pas to Reagan. Unbelievable and it wasn't even that long ago. No, this is a Reagan Cold War story. Has nothing to do with Obama whatsoever. Haven't heard an Obama parallel to it, but it wouldn't surprise me though. Nations do this. Putin when he was running did the same thing cursing and bad mouthing America to drum up support. It's a bit different when you bad mouth the terrorists than a nation. These ****s have a history of striking over words and have done so over and over. Cruz is a moderate , relatively speaking to Hillary or the Socialist....or Trump Umm... really? If so, that shows how insanely far to he Right the GOP has veered. The moderate in this race was probably Christie. Even Kasich and Rubio are far from moderates. LOL. This coming from someone who is a Democrat who's party will nominate Hillary. I'd say any of the Republicans are better than her with the exception of Trump. I think that's a fair charge, but Clinton is a legit political candidate that many hate. Sanders has a very long and deep track record in politics at the national level. Trump and Cruz have little going for them other than anger and a shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Cruz is a moderate , relatively speaking to Hillary or the Socialist....or Trump Cruz is not a moderate, good lord now you're making stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It's a bit different when you bad mouth the terrorists than a nation. These ****s have a history of striking over words and have done so over and over. Umm... really? If so, that shows how insanely far to he Right the GOP has veered. The moderate in this race was probably Christie. Even Kasich and Rubio are far from moderates. You are advocating talking nicely to terrorists to appease them? Christie ? ....do you define moderate as Democrat or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Good to know.....now I know that I don't have to take your arguments seriously anymore. Seriously enough for a little self reflection on such a humanitarian crisis and perhaps how we might handle it better in future administrations. Cruz is a moderate , relatively speaking to Hillary or the Socialist....or Trump Cruz is running a less insulting campaign.. But I don't think any of the Republican Senators declining to support his run find him a reasonable fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 You are advocating talking nicely to terrorists to appease them? Nope. I'm advocating talking softly but carrying a big stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Good grief you are now attributing Obama's faux pas to Reagan. Unbelievable and it wasn't even that long ago. I don't remember the Reagan story so I'm not saying it is right. But Obama never won re-election based on being tough on Russia. In his re-election campaign, I'm not sure Russia was even an issue. (I do remember Romney made an issue out of China: http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/09/25/will-china-bashing-cost-mitt-romney-the-election/#56ff7fbd3b09) Obama told somebody associated with Russia that he'd have more flexibility to negotiate after the election, but I don't think not negotiating with Russia was a theme (and especially not an important one) of his re-election campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Trump has not made it huge policy, but he proposes a Bush-like tax cut for the rich while also talking about "balancing the budget". Kasich is the only person on the GOP sign who I have heard as a moderate on the deficit... so... I would like to see a debate focussed soley om Federal budget. Trumps tax policy and the advocacy for cuts don't make him extreme or even exceptional from the other candidates on the GOP stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Cruz is not a moderate, good lord now you're making stuff up. How is he not a moderate relative to the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Obama told somebody associated with Russia that he'd have more flexibility to negotiate after the election, but I don't think not negotiating with Russia was a theme (and especially not an important one) of his re-election campaign. I do remember that. Is that what you're talking about nonieny? Completely different story from the one I'm remembering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Cruz is running a less insulting campaign.. But I don't think any of the Republican Senators declining to support his run find him a reasonable fellow. You think Senators determine whether he is moderate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It's not racism becasue all of the illegal Mexicans are rapists, murderers, and theives. Donald said so. I'm not going to respond to the rest of your rambling Trumpfest. I'm ONLY going to point out that Trump didn't just call them criminals, Trump called them all rapists, murders, drug dealers and theives. Oh and he was sure that some might be nice. I'm getting tired of this getting thrown around as fact. Please show me the quote where he said ALL of the people coming from Mexico are rapists, etc. He said (paraphrasing) that a lot of them were but we were also getting some good people. Accuracy matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 You think Senators determine whether he is moderate? I doubt even Cruz considers Cruz a moderate. In fact, I'd suspect that he'd think it'd be an insult if you called him that. Cruz is a hard line conservative. Moderation, compromise... those are four letter words to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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