Burgold Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Oh, I'm not trying to say they are the same guy or even the same caliber of candidate. Just that they are both the outlier, stir the pot, and help shape the platform kinda guys. A Ross Perot, a Joe Lieberman, a Ron Paul, etc. Now, Sanders has got a hefty resume. Trump is a businessman/celebrity. In some respects, I think Sanders is gaining his groundswell because almost everyone else just bowed out to the presumptive nominee. That gives his ideas time and room to be heard... which is a good thing. We need new ideas instead of reshashing and rewarming the ideas we've been using since the 1980's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-retweet-jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-photo-213576#ixzz3leS0FIIF Trump retweets 'Dad' photo — that's actually of U.K.'s new left-wing leader http://www.mediaite.com/online/pataki-says-he-wont-vote-for-trump-if-hes-the-republican-nominee/ Pataki Says He Won’t Vote for Trump If He’s the Republican Nominee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The fact that she even discusses this in public just shows her inability to be likable. She is a bully in her life and treats people the only way she knows how. She doesn't know what it means to be nice. As for her presentation of herself, her advisors continue to have her wear blue or purple outfits which to me remind me of little boy blue/old mother hubbard outfits. She really needs to lighten up even in her appearance, not sure she can. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/church-hillary-clinton-learns-nicer-press/story?id=33727039 "I got some advice from Dr. Wogaman just earlier this morning, which I promise I will put into effect," Clinton, a lifelong Methodist, remarked from the pulpit, referring to former pastor J. Philip Wogaman. "Basically he said, if you’re going to read and listen to Romans 12 you got to be nicer to the press." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Shocking. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-tax-plans-benefit-rich-080156820.html GOP tax plans benefit rich despite populist campaign talk Despite populist rhetoric, tax proposals from some GOP presidential candidates favor rich DENVER (AP) -- Jeb Bush went to Detroit and talked about leveling the playing field. Marco Rubio wrote a book about helping the working class. Rand Paul is promising to expand the Republican Party beyond its traditional base. Yet all three Republican presidential candidates have offered tax proposals that would, for reasons such as nomination politics and tax rate realities, overwhelmingly benefit the wealthiest. In doing so, they have drawn criticism from Democrats who call it proof that the GOP's eventual nominee will mainly try to help the rich. Even some conservatives expressed concerns after Bush released his proposed tax cut last week. Then there was the analysis Thursday from the Washington-based Tax Foundation that concluded his plan would initially help the top 1 percent of earners 10 times as much as it would those in the bottom 10 percent. "Republicans should be countering the caricature of themselves as slavishly devoted to the interests of rich people and corporations, not playing into it," according to an editorial in the conservative National Review. The magazine nonetheless praised Bush's effort to reduce income and business tax rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I still wonder if FOX News made Bernie electable? I mean, for 6 years they have called Obama incorrectly a socialist. People have gotten used to that term. Now, we have a genuine socialist running and it may not have quite the sting it would have if the right wing hadn't been denouncing Obama as one constantly. The public perception and meaning of the word has certainly changed. In many minds, socialist may just mean Democrat. After all, if Obama is a socialist... then what's wrong with voting in another one? Mind you, that's the big question for both parties. Are Bernie and the Donald electable? In a normal year, each would be a fringe candidate whose purpose would be to help shape the platform and push a few ideas forward. This year, Trump to date is the man to beat, and Bernie is still behind, but is suddenly being looked at as a legit challenger. That just means they will call Berrnie a communist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Jerry Brown with the smackdown. That ↑↑↑ is what the Dems at the national level need to do when faced with these act like a populist moron on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 what does the science say about morons not preparing for droughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 GOP tax plans benefit rich despite populist campaign talk Why would it be shocking, the top 1% have been KILLING it under Obama. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/top-1-percent-share-of-income-grew-in-2014-despite-new-obama-taxes/article/2567217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 That ↑↑↑ is what the Dems at the national level need to do when faced with these act like a populist moron on the right. It will have very little effect on the GOP voter base that is scientifically illiterate. The GOP politicians are simply pandering to the dummies who vote for them. On a side note: I like Jerry Brown. Love what he did to the anti-vaccination crowd in Cali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 5 months missing. The gift that keeps on giving. The Biden train is coming soon. http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/5-month-gap-in-hillary-emails/ WASHINGTON – There are gaps totaling five months in the Hillary Clinton emails released by the State Department, the watchdog group Judicial Watch announced Monday morning.Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/5-month-gap-in-hillary-emails/#UWkiTtGspBU2XqrC.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 5 months missing. The gift that keeps on giving. The Biden train is coming soon. http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/5-month-gap-in-hillary-emails/ You are so obsessed with hating Clinton that you are googling and quoting from World Net Daily and Judicial Watch now? Seek help, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 You are so obsessed with hating Clinton that you are googling and quoting from World Net Daily and Judicial Watch now? Seek help, my friend. Every right wing supporter needs to listen to p. Do NOT make this about more than what it is. Just let it percolate as an example of Clinton's sneakiness and her opinion that she gets to play by different rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Just let it percolate as an example of Clinton's sneakiness and her opinion that she gets to play by different rules. Actually, that's the thing that still bugs me about email-gate. My understanding that every Secretary of State up to Clinton all used their own email and did exactly what she did. She's just the one being attacked for it because it's politically convenient. I get it on one level, but on another I don't. I mean I wouldn't think SoS is a punch the clock kind of job. I would think that she would be on call 24 hours a day. More than that, for weeks and months at a time she was in a foreign country. Does that mean that during all that time she'd be in an email blackout? Is no one ever allowed to text her should an emergency come up that demands her attention or that she needs to be immediately aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 You are so obsessed with hating Clinton that you are googling and quoting from World Net Daily and Judicial Watch now? Seek help, my friend. Just reporting the daily updates. Here is one from Huffington Post for ya http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/25-reasons-im-voting-for-bernie-sanders_b_8132184.html 25 Reasons I'm Voting for Bernie Sanders Over Hillary Clinton and the GOP Nominee The 2016 presidential election will be studied for generations, primarily because it's a turning point in U.S. history. Will the Democratic Party shift even further to the right, or will Democrats nominate a true progressive? Below are 25 reasons I'm voting only for Bernie Sanders in 2016. And these reasons not only highlight my value system, but also what I believe (or assumed) the Democratic Party had always stood for as well. 1. President Hillary Clinton will have a neoconservative foreign policy. Bernie Sanders says "I'll be damned" if Americans lead the fight against ISIS. Jacob Heilbrunn, in a New York Times article titled The Next Act of the Neocons, writes, "It's easy to imagine Mrs. Clinton's making room for the neocons in her administration." Also quoted in The New York Times, conservative historian Robert Kagan says, "If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue, it's something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else." In addition to voting for the Iraq War (and pushing for the disastrous bombing of Libya) while calling this decision a "mistake," her quotes in an Atlantic interview with Jeffrey Goldberg confirm that President Hillary Clinton could be a liberal Dick Cheney in the White House: This is what Clinton said about Obama's slogan: "Great nations need organizing principles, and 'Don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle." "You know, when you're down on yourself, and when you are hunkering down and pulling back, you're not going to make any better decisions than when you were aggressively, belligerently putting yourself forward, " she said. "One issue is that we don't even tell our own story very well these days." "The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad--," Clinton said. As if the lessons of bombing Libya during Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State weren't enough, Clinton would have armed the Syrian rebels had she been president. The problem with this is not only that half the Syrian rebels are jihadists, but also that it would have pushed the U.S. into the Syrian civil war, while we were still embroiled in Iraq and Afghanistan. If anyone wonders why I wrote an article last year on a certain GOP Senator, saying that I'd vote for that person (I'm, of course, voting for Bernie and that piece was written from a purely anti-perpetual war standpoint), the fact that Vox says Clinton's words on foreign policy sound "super hawkish," is one of the main reasons I wrote that piece. America has suffered enough from a neoconservative foreign policy and one look at icasualties.org highlights this reality. In contrast, Bernie says, "I'll be damned" if America leads the fight against ISIS (calling for others to put ground troops in the region, not us) and puts American soldiers and veterans first, as evident by his recent Congressional Award from the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 5 months missing. The gift that keeps on giving. The Biden train is coming soon. http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/5-month-gap-in-hillary-emails/ she just wasn't working during those gaps cause all she deleted was personal stuff, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Just let it percolate as an example of Clinton's sneakiness and her opinion that she gets to play by different rules. I agree - she's arrogant, sneaky, kind of mean, and thinks she gets to play by her own rules. No doubt about it. Those are her negatives. She's also very intelligent, experienced, competent and tough. Those are her positives. I tend to push back against the over the top claims, the stuff like BENGHAZI! and VINCE FOSTER!!!!! And a decade of utter dishonesty from WND and Judicial Watch makes it so I bristle when I see people post their stuff as though it was some sort of ordinary news source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 She's also very intelligent, experienced, competent and tough. Did you watch her stint as SoS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Actually, that's the thing that still bugs me about email-gate. My understanding that every Secretary of State up to Clinton all used their own email and did exactly what she did. She's just the one being attacked for it because it's politically convenient. I get it on one level, but on another I don't. I mean I wouldn't think SoS is a punch the clock kind of job. I would think that she would be on call 24 hours a day. More than that, for weeks and months at a time she was in a foreign country. Does that mean that during all that time she'd be in an email blackout? Is no one ever allowed to text her should an emergency come up that demands her attention or that she needs to be immediately aware of? My understanding is worse than yours.... my understanding was that it was standard practice (actually recommended and nearly required practice) for senior political appointees to maintain two email accounts, an official @.gov account for official emails, and a separate @yahoo.com (ore somesuch) account, for off the record/less foia-able interactions. this is pure hearsay, but hearsay BEFORE the current email-gate blather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Did you watch her stint as SoS? Yes I did. She got very good reviews at Secretary of State, both domestically and internationally. Google "Hillary Clinton performance as Secretary of State" and look at the results. They are all either strongly or cautiously positive - until you suddenly see the link to Breitbart, The American Thinker and clown car places like that. Likewise, all the major GOP politicians praised her performance - until after she left State and suddenly was a political candidate again. Then they all suddenly decided that she sucked azz all along. The past couple of years of relentless and deliberate conservative revisionism attacking her performance in one of the most difficult jobs in the world somehow has not affected me as much as some on here who follow foreign policy issues less closely than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 this is pure hearsay, but hearsay BEFORE the current email-gate blather. it's common sense... it's ridiculously obvious why they're doing this. anyone who believes it's a convenience issue should have their right to vote revoked on the spot. Yes I did. I'm not a foreign policy guru. I realized that not too long ago So as dumb dude on the couch, I fail to see how things were anything close to 'competent' while she was in her position. The handling of Russia has been... interesting and incomplete. Everything else appears to be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-13/poll-bernie-sanders-leads-hillary-clinton-by-double-digits-in-iowa-n-h- Poll: Bernie Sanders Leads Hillary Clinton by Double Digits in Iowa, N.H. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders now leads his Democratic rival, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, by double digits in Iowa and New Hampshire, the first two states where votes will be cast in 2016 to decide the party's presidential nominee. Sanders is now ahead of Clinton by a margin of 43 percent to 33 percent in Iowa, a CBS/YouGov poll of 646 likely Democratic caucus-goers found. In New Hampshire, meanwhile, Sanders is trouncing Clinton by a margin of 52 percent to 30 percent among 548 likely Democratic primary voters surveyed. The news is much better for Clinton in South Carolina, the third state where votes will be cast. There, Clinton leads Sanders by a margin of 46 percent to 23 percent among the 528 likely Democratic primary voters polled. Vice President Joe Biden, who has not formally declared himself a candidate, received 22 percent support in South Carolina, 9 percent in New Hampshire, and 10 percent in Iowa. The poll was conducted Sept. 3-10. The margin of error in Iowa was plus or minus 6.6 percent. In New Hampshire it was plus or minus 7.4 percent, and in South Carolina it was plus or minus 6.8 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 it's common sense... it's ridiculously obvious why they're doing this. anyone who believes it's a convenience issue should have their right to vote revoked on the spot. i think you may have missed my point so completely that you may have fallen into the street in front of a russian car with a dash board cam just as an ostrich kicked you in the nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 doh, i suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 She also logged the most "official" foreign travel of any SoS. She definitely enjoyed the best of all worlds. That house of cards isn't on my high list of people I want as President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 She also logged the most "official" foreign travel of any SoS. Isn't that a good thing? She was hardly vacationing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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