chipwhich Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 People go crazy at all different ages. I mean, what are the ages of the GOP field? I know, I have been watching Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I know, I have been watching Hillary. Won't she be 80 at the end of her second term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Won't she be 80 at the end of her second term? She will, she is too old too But I come from a family with a lot of dementia and Alzheimers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I am thinking more of the aspect that we need to raise taxes to actual pay for stuff but I agree that Bernie goes too far. I don't know why they don't just lift the SS cap on wages. It stops at $100,000 or something around there? I don't get why that is. because it was sold long ago as a safety net and the rich don't collect. the expansion of SS outside that tends to irritate folk,they get even more irritated if ya get greedy. just a wild guess. add https://reason.com/archives/2012/07/23/generational-warfare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I am thinking more of the aspect that we need to raise taxes to actual pay for stuff but I agree that Bernie goes too far. I don't know why they don't just lift the SS cap on wages. It stops at $100,000 or something around there? I don't get why that is. Actually, I have a bit of a problem with that idea. And, believe it or not, it's a problem of it not being fair to the rich folks. SS, let's face it, is a retirement plan which is heavily tilted in favor of low wage earners. I have no clue what the formula is, that determines what somebody gets, when he retires. But I'm absolutely certain that it's tilted grossly in favor of the low wage earner. The guy who makes $100k a year, for life, gets more out of SS than the guy who made $10k. But he doesn't get 10 times as much. And now we want to tell the guy who made $1M that he has to pay in 10 times as much as the guy who made $100k, but he's going to get the exact same amount, back out? People go crazy at all different ages. I mean, what are the ages of the GOP field? I know, I have been watching Hillary. And you've been going crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 It actually may. I strongly believe that the Republicans didn't want McCain or Romney. They thought they were electable, but didn't really represent what they wanted. That's why McCain got tied to Palin. He needed to be attached to a true Conservative. Same thing with Romney and Ryan. Over the last two election cycles in many respects the real republican candidate was the VP. The guy on the top of the ticket was just the poster boy. Palin is/was a true convservative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Palin is/was a true convservative? You betcha. (And Fox News seems to think so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The guy who makes $100k a year, for life, gets more out of SS than the guy who made $10k. But he doesn't get 10 times as much. And now we want to tell the guy who made $1M that he has to pay in 10 times as much as the guy who made $100k, but he's going to get the exact same amount, back out? Whoa Whoa Whoa Larry. Ease your roll. You are sounding logical in here. You better step away for a bit, and come back. On another note, I do find it funny this left leaning board with so much focus on the death of the Republican party, and the Dems are looking at a crop of a candidate who I would consider to be too old to serve 2 terms, Hillary, (and suggested replacements to Hillary) Joe Biden, Al Gore, John Kerry, that's a who's who list of over the hill gang. What happened to being "progressive"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Speaking just for me, if Liz had wanted the job, that woulda been progressive enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Interesting . . . http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-corbyn-and-the-coming-debate-inside-the-democratic-party/2015/09/12/a23673f4-597e-11e5-8bb1-b488d231bba2_story.html Sanders, Corbyn and the coming debate inside the Democratic Party The election of Jeremy Corbyn, the left-wing backbencher, as the new leader of the British Labour Party raises the inevitable question: Can it happen here? Can Bernie Sanders, the independent socialist senator from Vermont, capture the heart and soul of the Democratic Party? The immediate answer is, not likely. He remains an underdog candidate for the Democratic nomination. But some of the same forces that were instrumental in bringing Corbyn to power have powered Sanders’s rise from a hopeless cause to a candidate who now leads Hillary Rodham Clinton in New Hampshire and in one poll at least in Iowa, and who has closed the gap with her nationally. In a time of economic insecurity and an anti-establishment mood among so many voters here and elsewhere, the unexpected is no longer unthinkable. If Clinton’s problems and Sanders’s success are part of a surprising summer of politics here, the Corbyn victory was even more unthinkable only a few months ago after Labour suffered a historic defeat in the general election. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bernie-sanders-is-plotting-his-path-to-the-democratic-nomination/2015/09/11/08ddb472-573c-11e5-8bb1-b488d231bba2_story.html How Bernie Sanders is plotting his path to the Democratic nomination Bernie Sanders is fast expanding his political staff, crafting a delegate strategy and cultivating a vast volunteer corps and digital fundraising network that he believes can seriously challenge Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination. Dismissed only a couple months ago as a fringe candidate, the self-described democratic socialist senator from Vermont has proven in recent weeks that he is a contender to win the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary. Now Sanders is plotting his path to the nomination in what he anticipates will be a long race for delegates. With Clinton falling in the polls and top Democrats increasingly concerned about her electability, Sanders is trying to take advantage by assembling a grass-roots machine modeled in part after Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign. Yet many serious obstacles stand between him and the nomination — and Sanders’s advisers acknowledge that their calculations would be complicated further if Vice President Biden enters the race. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The gift that keeps on giving. Say it ain't so Hillary. I am sure her A team is smarter than to let this have happened. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/report-hillary-clintons-private-emails-may-be-recoverable_55f4b556e4b063ecbfa4a140 "Platte River has no knowledge of the server being wiped," company spokesman Andy Boian was quoted as saying by the Washington Post. "All the information we have is that the server wasn't wiped." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfoom Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Seriously, how good would a debate between Sanders and Trump be? Don't care which side you were on, but the "IT" factor would be off the charts. The only better thing I could see for politics would be a Trump/Sanders (either way) ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I still wonder if FOX News made Bernie electable? I mean, for 6 years they have called Obama incorrectly a socialist. People have gotten used to that term. Now, we have a genuine socialist running and it may not have quite the sting it would have if the right wing hadn't been denouncing Obama as one constantly. The public perception and meaning of the word has certainly changed. In many minds, socialist may just mean Democrat. After all, if Obama is a socialist... then what's wrong with voting in another one? Mind you, that's the big question for both parties. Are Bernie and the Donald electable? In a normal year, each would be a fringe candidate whose purpose would be to help shape the platform and push a few ideas forward. This year, Trump to date is the man to beat, and Bernie is still behind, but is suddenly being looked at as a legit challenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I saw former governors Jennifer Granholm (Michigan) and Howard Dean (Vermont) discussing the term "socialist" as it pertains to Bernie the other day. Both agreed that true socialism would mean that government would control "production", and both agreed that Bernie doesn't go that far in his progressive beliefs. Dean ended by saying, "He can call himself whatever he wants, but he's a progressive democrat, and that's all there is to it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I can buy that. He's definitely a lefty though. Everyone who runs on the Dem ticket is instantly dubbed the most left candidate the Dems have ever run. In Bernie's case it might be appropriate. I do like a number of things he's said. Mind you, at this point, I mostly know about his candidacy based on Facebook memes and soundbites. These sound pretty great, but could be judging him like judging an NFL prospect only by their highlight film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 And I just heard...Rush Limbaugh called Ben Carson an "okay doctor", but Carson was the first to separate conjoined twins? Dayum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAbrendan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I can buy that. He's definitely a lefty though. Everyone who runs on the Dem ticket is instantly dubbed the most left candidate the Dems have ever run. In Bernie's case it might be appropriate. I do like a number of things he's said. Mind you, at this point, I mostly know about his candidacy based on Facebook memes and soundbites. These sound pretty great, but could be judging him like judging an NFL prospect only by their highlight film. If you have a little time, this is a pretty good interview that covers his views & policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Yeah that's all fine and good Bernie but you're still going to have to reconcile the violence of socialism like under Stalin. /RandPaulBS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 And I just heard...Rush Limbaugh called Ben Carson an "okay doctor", but Carson was the first to separate conjoined twins? Dayum. Geez, lots of things to criticize Carson for, but his surgical prowess is not one of them. I don't find much of his philosophy appealing nor do I like his positions on several issues, but credit where credit's due. More signs of Rush's racism, I guess. (Long been accused of being prejudiced based on what he says and his words) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 ........ After all, if Obama is a socialist... then what's wrong with voting in another one? ........ Don't cha think that would reduce the appeal of a Socialist? After all the majority consider Obama to be an unsuccessful President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Don't cha think that would reduce the appeal of a Socialist? After all the majority consider Obama to be an unsuccessful President. Do they? I think he is becoming more and more popular again as he gets closer. After all, look where we started and where we are today. A 46% favorability rating is damn good this late in a second term http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx I think that most hatred of Washington is aimed at Congress. Their approval rate seems to average about 15% (which is actually a big improvement for them) according to RCP. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html Anyway, pretty sure if Obama ran again, he'd win in another landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I wonder if Obama could run again, how he'd do against Bush or Trump. Here is my question. I see some political writers say that Trumps polling can't be taken seriously because he doesn't have real support. But in the next breath, flip it when it comes to Clinton and that her numbers in Sept of '15 should be taken beyond seriously. How can that be? Shouldn't we either take both seriously, or not pay attention to either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I wonder if Obama could run again, how he'd do against Bush or Trump. Here is my question. I see some political writers say that Trumps polling can't be taken seriously because he doesn't have real support. But in the next breath, flip it when it comes to Clinton and that her numbers in Sept of '15 should be taken beyond seriously. How can that be? Shouldn't we either take both seriously, or not pay attention to either? The idea is that the bulk of Trump's support when you dig deeper into the polls seem to come from demographics that usually don't vote. Now, that was actually said of Obama during his first run. If Trump can energize them enough to get to the polls, he's real. The establishment doesn't want him. They are mocking him kind of like Reagan was mocked the first time they won. I remember being told that during Reagan's first Presidential run the idea of an actor being president was called laughable. Then, he had his second go-around, the one against Carter and he became the darling. Right now, the establishment and most pundits disbelieve in Trump in part because he is an outsider and the usual puppeteers haven't lined up behind him. Also, because he's brash, insulting, and seems to be pissing off so many demographic groups. I have no idea how real he is, but the longer he lingers high in the polls, the more face time he gets, the more he will become a "serious" candidate in many minds. I do think the front runners may have slept on him a bit long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Mind you, that's the big question for both parties. Are Bernie and the Donald electable? In a normal year, each would be a fringe candidate whose purpose would be to help shape the platform and push a few ideas forward. This year, Trump to date is the man to beat, and Bernie is still behind, but is suddenly being looked at as a legit challenger. I see what you're saying, but I don't really like the comparison b/w Bernie and Trump. Sanders has decades of congressional service, a voting record that is consistent with his platform, and one of the highest approval ratings in the Senate. Trump doesn't have anything like that. I can buy that. He's definitely a lefty though. Everyone who runs on the Dem ticket is instantly dubbed the most left candidate the Dems have ever run. In Bernie's case it might be appropriate. I do like a number of things he's said. Mind you, at this point, I mostly know about his candidacy based on Facebook memes and soundbites. These sound pretty great, but could be judging him like judging an NFL prospect only by their highlight film. I would agree if Bernie's voting record didn't reflect those sound bites, but it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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