SkinsHokieFan Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/behind-the-curtain-eve-of-destruction-95594.html Eve of Destruction It is almost impossible to find an establishment Republican in town who’s not downright morose about the 2013 that has been and is about to be. Most dance around it in public, but they see this year as a disaster in the making, even if most elected Republicans don’t know it or admit it. Several influential Republicans told us the party is actually in a worse place than it was Nov. 7, the day after the disastrous election. This is their case The party is hurting itself even more with the very voters they need to start winning back: Hispanics, blacks, gays, women and swing voters of all stripes. • The few Republicans who stood up and tried to move the party ahead were swatted into submission: Speaker John Boehner on fiscal matters and Sen. Marco Rubio on immigration are the poster boys for this. Republicans are all flirting with a fall that could see influential party voices threatening to default on the debt or shut down the government — and therefore ending all hopes of proving they are not insane when it comes to governance . Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/behind-the-curtain-eve-of-destruction-95594.html#ixzz2c8kciyhe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Yeah, they're doomed. Not gonna win another election. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Yeah, they're doomed. Not gonna win another election. Ever. at least 50 yrs perhaps the establishment reps are doomed though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS@THEGOALLINE Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Republicans are meeting in Boston this week to work on the mechanics of politics — budgets, delegate rules, voter contact techniques — but former House speaker Newt Gingrich told delegates Wednesday that the party first has to figure out what policies it supports, not simply what measures it wants to block. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/14/rnc-meeting-boston-gingrich/2656715/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 ^^ Yeah I think that is one of their main problems. They keep brainstorming and trying to figure out new ways convince people of their current policies instead of saying to themselves "you know, maybe its the policies themselves that people don't like...hmm". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think the "gun loving", "gay hating" Republicans who can't stop posting that crap on facebook really hurts their party. They've made their living catering to them but now they are doing them more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Love seeing someone else use my Marx Bros clip. They my boyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 The GOP will be fine as long as they are not stupid enough to try to reach out to those demographics by becoming Liberal-lite Over 70% Hispanics.. primarily Mexicans will always vote for government programs, a high percentage of them support abortion on demand. Blacks have been brainwashed into blindly voting Democrat even after Decades of evidence of corruption in places such as Washington DC and Detroit that the Democrats are not helping their situation. If people in a State prefer normal marriage and vote that way the GOP should support the will of the people and not side with an Activist Gay Judge or a legislature determined to ignore the will of the people. Energize the Conservative base with a conservative message instead of the moderate, left leaning message that had "The world will end unless government is in charge of every aspect of life," from a Moderate Candidate and the 4 million conservatives that stayed home in 2012 will come out in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Parties have died or been banished to special interest/single issue obscurity in the past when they couldn't hold a big enough base to remain competitive nationally. The GOP is headed there. Probably already is there TBH. I doubt a social conservative wins the White House for a long time. And the GOP has radicalized far too much to compete nationally, they're swimming against the current. White males are no longer a powerful or monolithic enough base to win big elections. Their immediate future is only winning local elections in districts and constituencies where the base is radicalized and remaining an obstinate minority party using a handful of Super PACs as a life preserver. But it'll only be so long before minority power gets curbed. The government will start governing again eventually because ordinary people are pissed off with the status quo and open to changes in the way Congress works. Reforms will be made, districts will be redrawn, work-arounds will be invented, rival Super-PACs will be created. Or hell, maybe Citizens United will be overturned. The GOP as we know it today will have to evolve into something more centrist with a broader base or it will be neutered and eventually replaced by a new party. My guess is that, within one to two decades, the new opposite-of-Democrat party will be a large and true national coalition of fiscally conservative social liberals. The GOP will be fine as long as they are not stupid enough to try to reach out to those demographics by becoming Liberal-lite Over 70% Hispanics.. primarily Mexicans will always vote for government programs, a high percentage of them support abortion on demand. Blacks have been brainwashed into blindly voting Democrat even after Decades of evidence of corruption in places such as Washington DC and Detroit that the Democrats are not helping their situation. If people in a State prefer normal marriage and vote that way the GOP should support the will of the people and not side with an Activist Gay Judge or a legislature determined to ignore the will of the people. Energize the Conservative base with a conservative message instead of the moderate, left leaning message that had "The world will end unless government is in charge of every aspect of life," from a Moderate Candidate and the 4 million conservatives that stayed home in 2012 will come out in 2014. All of this is why the GOP is dying. This is not working. The demographics have already changed and they aren't changing back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Oh I've missed NavyDave posts. The issue for the GOP is that their media plan has backfired. They created an entire news channel dedicated to riling up their base, but I think it went further than they intended. It became more of the voice of the party, which started a rapid transformation into the "party of stupid." The more inflammatory the position, the more coverage it gets. Suddenly you have elected officials running on the Fox News platform, which was designed to appeal specifically to the most conservative part of the GOP. And shocker, your people in the center are turned off by that. Gonna take a long time to crawl back out of the rabbit hole. I'm really curious about the VA 2013 election. Could be very indicative about how 2014 will go. An off-year gubernatorial election with a very popular far right GOP candidate should be money in the bank for the GOP. If McAuliffe pulls off the upset, could be a sign of things to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 ^^ Yeah I think that is one of their main problems. They keep brainstorming and trying to figure out new ways convince people of their current policies instead of saying to themselves "you know, maybe its the policies themselves that people don't like...hmm". This right here... is why I tend to tune out most Republican politicians. The old ideas are not worth the effort they put in to them. It's disappointing b/c I believe that even the most dedicated Democrat is rooting for the Republican party to recover. It could probably be argued that the US is in such a tough, slow economic recovery b/c our 2-party political system is in this weakened state entirely due to the crumbling Republican party. Without two strong parties debating and countering and actually WORKING on issues, we get interference from the Republicans and poor ideas from the Dems. Our country needs a strong Republican party to restore the balance in our 2-party system. Debate and hard work between these two parties has produced results with compromise on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Also, don't think the people pulling the strings behind the scenes in the GOP haven't seen the writing on the wall. Rather than trying to appeal to people and gain votes, their main strategy is to try to deny US citizens the ability to vote. The strategy is among the most shameful we've seen in modern politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Personally, I welcome the day when american social conservatism is finally dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Personally, I welcome the day when american social conservatism is finally dead. Don't hold your breath. Social conservatism is deeply entrenched in our cultural fabric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Whatever happened to the progressive movement espoused by Teddy Roosevelt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 This right here... is why I tend to tune out most Republican politicians. The old ideas are not worth the effort they put in to them. It's disappointing b/c I believe that even the most dedicated Democrat is rooting for the Republican party to recover. It could probably be argued that the US is in such a tough, slow economic recovery b/c our 2-party political system is in this weakened state entirely due to the crumbling Republican party. Without two strong parties debating and countering and actually WORKING on issues, we get interference from the Republicans and poor ideas from the Dems. Our country needs a strong Republican party to restore the balance in our 2-party system. Debate and hard work between these two parties has produced results with compromise on both sides. Oh please stop. There are no Democrats rooting for the GOP to recover. Even hoodrats, Meth-heads and Generation IPad types with a 6th grade reading level know the Media pundits and far left types are trying to sway the spineless moderate types in the GOP to support Amnesty. Heck who doesn't know the Koch brothers are pushing for amnesty who foolishly think they will get low wage labor instead of 20 to 40 million new Union members.The goal is to turn the entire US into a Nation that sucks like the Peoples Republic of California. I just couldn't understand how the allegedly highly educated types can vote for the policies of the Democrats until I realized that nowadays Highly educated means either Indoctrinated and or True Believer. I still have faith that future generations will cure the Worlds Greatest Nation of its far-left ailments.But it appears it will take a Detroit like catastrophe that affects the entire nation that the media and the left can't blame on the GOP. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Does NavyDave realize how much further right than pretty much every other 1st world Western nation we are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Don't hold your breath. Social conservatism is deeply entrenched in our cultural fabric. Mostly in the flannel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 The underlying cancer is this: Under W the GOP abandoned all the fiscal discipline of the 90s and tried to get a mega majority by splurging on every conceivable govt program in the mistaken belief that fiscal conservatives would vote for them no matter what. Throw in the twin disasters of the Iraq war and the financial collapse, and the GOP lost its Reagan-era big tent and migrated to a neo-Nixonian theocratic movement. Now, in order to keep from losing all federal power, they've had to gerrymander districts to be able to hold on to the House of Reps. This means in order to win primaries the house candidates have to pander to the earth was created 6000 years ago as a sanctuary against homosexuals who are threatening to take all our guns and steakknives and hand them over to brown people whose inferior mental reasoning makes them more susceptible to jihadist impulses, less likely to work, and worst of all, tempts white folks by entertaining the possibility that sex can be a source of enjoyment rather than something that must be kept under wraps to protect our children from the potential revival of communism. At some point, I can only hope that the GOP is overrun or replaced by libertarian-lite forces....fiscal conservatives who won't waste our time telling us what movies are bad or how what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is destroying western civilization. I can dream, can't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Personally, I welcome the day when american social conservatism is finally dead. Yeah because European Liberalism / Socialism is so much better. Then again while Hell would be Standing room only, Heaven would definitely have plenty of elbow room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Help Navy Dave https://soundcloud.com/mike-in-raleigh/please-help-skeeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Does NavyDave realize how much further right than pretty much every other 1st world Western nation we are? Yeah. Lived in and or stationed in those Western Nations. But why Compare the Yankees to the Cleveland Indians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Don't hold your breath. Social conservatism is deeply entrenched in our cultural fabric. I don't know about that. I think the increasing depletion of the baby boomer generation (and older) is the last stand. It's not like there is a large & growing movement of young social conservatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I don't know about that. I think the increasing depletion of the baby boomer generation (and older) is the last stand. It's not like there is a large & growing movement of young social conservatives. No, but there is a natural trend of people getting more conservative as they get older, for good and ill. As we get older we naturally value the past and fear the future. Go to FreeRepublic and read the craziest posts - nearly all of the posters are retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 To reach more voters, especially those in the middle and minorities, maybe consider boycotting outlets they (the GOP) don't like. Doesn't matter if that demographic hasn't been tuning in to their outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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