PeterMP Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: They got a good young player and a first and second round pick for a draft bust. We got two crappy expiring players and a second round pick in a draft that's 28 years away for Otto. The guy they got is like 29 and has been one of the worse player in the NBA like the last 2 years. He had one good year in his career back when he played in San Antonio. He's also a wing when what they need is guards. The key thing is he can be bought out for $1 million a the end of the season so he's about equivalent to an expiring. They can buy him out and have flexibility to pursue a max contract if Butler or Harris walk at the end of the year. I have no idea why the Sixers made this trade. They need a guard and there has been talk that Fultz would play this year. The guy that got is essentially useless to them. Worse case scenario with Fultz is that he actually isn't better this season, doesn't play, and you make a similar trade for him sometime around the draft to free up cap space if you need it. The upside is, he does get better, and he steps in fill the hole they have. I have no idea why you ever thought Porter would be worth very much. I told you back shortly after Korver was trade that he'd be about the same value as Korver (a 2 2nd rounders and an expiring). You got an expiring, one 2nd rounder, and a few months of Portis up close to see if he's worth a qualifying offer. Fultz has more value because his contract is much more team friendly. Edited February 7, 2019 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 ****, if games were 24 mins instead of 48, the Sixers might be the second most impressive team outside of GS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Going Commando Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 - I think it's funny and fitting that the Pelicans stuck it to the Lakers for their tampering. - Screw LeBron and Rich Paul for thinking its OK to destabilize whichever team has a star player that he wants to play with. Screw the league for letting it happen because it's a dramatic sideshow that generates conversation. Screw the extreme competitive imbalance of the league that tills the Earth for unethical behavior like this to be necessary to create even a feeble two team competition. - Why is Durant being so childish about media scrutiny over his free agency plans? - I think it's cosmic justice that Boston might end up missing out on Davis because of how they treated Isaiah Thomas. - But I definitely don't want to see Davis end up in Milwaukee with Giannis. I don't want to see another unbeatable juggernaut get made. - I don't understand what Philly is doing. It feels like they're stunting their future. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, StillUnknown said: Wizards seem to be an industry leader in players that win rings somewhere else. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they signed him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) Giannis team is gonna get crushed so far lol GM experience really showed there. Beal picked last, but at least he'll be on the winning team. Edited February 8, 2019 by CRobi21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Sinister Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said: - I think it's funny and fitting that the Pelicans stuck it to the Lakers for their tampering. - Screw LeBron and Rich Paul for thinking its OK to destabilize whichever team has a star player that he wants to play with. Screw the league for letting it happen because it's a dramatic sideshow that generates conversation. Screw the extreme competitive imbalance of the league that tills the Earth for unethical behavior like this to be necessary to create even a feeble two team competition. - Why is Durant being so childish about media scrutiny over his free agency plans? - I think it's cosmic justice that Boston might end up missing out on Davis because of how they treated Isaiah Thomas. - But I definitely don't want to see Davis end up in Milwaukee with Giannis. I don't want to see another unbeatable juggernaut get made. - I don't understand what Philly is doing. It feels like they're stunting their future. So I don't really care all that much in how this hurt the league (NO is a 3rd rate franchise that apparently has no clue how to effectively operate to maximize their talent/talent procurement, and most definitely would be paraded Davis around for years to make money off him despite not being all that serious about winning. Franchises like that get what they deserve. But from a Rich Paul perspective, if it's truly about doing what's in the best interest of your client, he and the other shadow figures in this clearly screwed Davis royally, at least for the time being. The timing, hamstringing his current team in trying to do a good deal, doing business with a team like LA, who clearly has nothing of equal value, and being expected to just roll over because why not, just doesn't smell right. Seems like there wasn't much thought put into the potential scenario where NO simply says "No, go **** yourself" Paul looks like an idiot right now. And Davis is now in limbo. Edited February 8, 2019 by Mr. Sinister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: I would say "Not a coincidence, " but if I had a choice, I would've picked them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I don’t want that soft as **** on the warriors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I really admire the next level pettiness the Pelicans displayed against the Lakers. LeBron deserves to suffer in Mediocre Laker Purgatory for thinking he can just steal other teams stars from smaller market teams. This type of push back was inevitable since the league seems to get a kick of out this like a ratings boast instead of wanting to do something about it...until they come knocking for your star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: You got away from paying a 13 point a game player 28 mil per year for the next 3 years too though. That's how dumb the NBA is. Players like Otto making 25+ mil a year. Judging a player like Otto on his PPG is like judging Draymond on PPG. He's a three and D specialist and glue man whose contributions come in other ways than volume scoring--elite shooting, plus rebounding, garbage man cleanup, plus defense, zero mistakes. Otto only scored a little over 13 PPG when he got that max contract, and yet he was a 9 + win share player who had a 3.9 VORP. That's adding 10 and a half wins to the Wizards over a replacement level player, which is way more value than a player like Tobias Harris has ever been able to put up in a season--a player who was traded for multiple firsts. It's also infinitely more value than Markelle Fultz has provided in his career, a player who was traded for a first. And not for nothing, Otto's .6 VORP this season--a down year where he's been injured and missing time and yanked around in the line ups--is almost as much as Jabari Parker's entire career total of .7. And it's significantly more than Bobby Portis's career total of .2. Chicago exploited a crap team for a heist. The Wizards gave Otto away because they're a trainwreck run by a moron who is one of the very worst GMs in sports. The ownership group was no longer willing to pay luxury tax for the team and they were forced into making catastrophically bad decisions to cut costs after prior catastrophically bad decision making. They are one of the worst franchises in the league, and we're seeing the truth of this once again now that John Wall's career is on the ropes and he's no longer around to prop the whole organization up. Edited February 8, 2019 by stevemcqueen1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) Otto is gone because he didn't want to be the third star on this team. If he did, we aren't having this conversation. When all else fails, Brooks gives the ball to his stars, so if Otto wanted to be one, he would've got the ball more. I'm letting that go because he's not here more, it was raising my blood pressure when we was though, not healthy. Someone else posted this gif of Otto in the Wizards thread a minute ago and I almost died: Edited February 8, 2019 by Renegade7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Otto is painfully mediocre when he isn’t surrounded by better players. Good player, major liability when he commands a massive chunk of cap space. He’s going to have a long, productive NBA career. He will probably even end up on a championship team, with much better players where he can do all the little things that make teams better. He will never, ever receive a max contract again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 @No Excuses agreed, he needs to be somewhere like San Antonio and not as something they depend on. I'll admit, much of my rage came from how high he was drafted and how much he was making. If he got the contract Bog's got from Indiana, I'd feel differently with the role he finally ended with here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I see you, Rondo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Otto is painfully mediocre when he isn’t surrounded by better players. Anyone who can add 10 wins to your team over a replacement level player isn't mediocre. NBA fans do a really poor job of judging players on anything other than volume scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, CRobi21 said: GM experience really showed there. They'll screw around and keep it close but so far LeBron is looking like the Red Auerbach of AS game GMs and Giannis the Ernie Grunfeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Anyone who can add 10 wins to your team over a replacement level player isn't mediocre. NBA fans do a really poor job of judging players on anything other than volume scoring. You've made this case before, a lot of which I agree with, but the Wizards are 10 games under 500 right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 54 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Anyone who can add 10 wins to your team over a replacement level player isn't mediocre. NBA fans do a really poor job of judging players on anything other than volume scoring. No one is disputing the good things Otto does. But he isn’t a max contract player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I know there is a lot of clowning on Fultz, but I just saw tonight on Sports Center that he has a diagnosis of Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, was that ever mentioned on here? http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25455660/what-thoracic-outlet-syndrome-does-mean-markelle-fultz Explains why he just out of nowhere lost his shot and strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said: NBA fans do a really poor job of judging players on anything other than volume scoring. The fans did not determine the value of Otto Porter in this year's trade market. (Philly actually probably made a similar offer for Porter as they did Harris, and Ernie turned it down just to spite you.) Edited February 8, 2019 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Why is the all-star game so late in the season? Stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 hours ago, PeterMP said: The fans did not determine the value of Otto Porter in this year's trade market. (Philly actually probably made a similar offer for Porter as they did Harris, and Ernie turned it down just to spite you.) The NBA's worst GM determined his value. Philly would have been better off trading for Porter than Harris. Fits their team better and he's a better, younger player who is already signed for multiple seasons. For all we know they may have called about them. But the Wizards were telling teams they weren't trading Porter until the day before the deadline. Their abrupt change of course happened because the severity of the Wall injury plunged them into a directionless effort to cut salary. They made a god awful trade in reaction to prior god awful decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, abdcskins said: Why is the all-star game so late in the season? Stupid. Not if you want maximum viewership. Otherwise you're fighting the NFL. Many people auto switch to basketball once football ends (they're not season long hoopheads like us). I am assuming they want to balance games/rest with maximum viewership on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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