***2021-2022 NBA Season Thread***

[Going Commando]

I think it's a testament to how small-time the NBA is that you believe they still need to rely on the 80's model to get anyone to watch it LKB.  It's time for the league to evolve into a real one.  The NFL model works.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

11 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

 

If a team wants LeBron on the roster, it would have to make really tough choices for the remaining roster as it won’t have exceptions that a soft cap provides. 

 

So, basically, if you draft Lebron, you are punished and do not have the ability to build a good team around him. This is stupid.

 

This is the NFL model.

 

The NFL model somehow both sucks from the aspect that no one can keep anyone and also always leads to New England being in the Super Bowl anyway.

 

Under this idiotic plan, it's just bad Cavs' teams going to the Finals forever.

Just now, stevemcqueen1 said:

I think it's a testament to how small-time the NBA is that you believe they still need to rely on the 80's model to get anyone to watch it LKB.  It's time for the league to evolve into a real one.  The NFL model works.

 

The NFL is unwatchable and is only going to get worse as the talent pool thins and the rules get more restrictive.

 

The first month of any NFL season is a game of "Wait...that guy is on that team?" and "That guy is still in the league?"

 

My father has ****ed for thirty years than we he was a kid, all the MLB lineups basically stayed the same year after year and now he has no idea where anyone is or who is even on his team (the Pirates).

 

The NFL has somehow convinced fans to get excited about personell moves more than the actual game. But that seems like a dangerous model since the game on the field has probably never been less entertaining.

[Bozo the kKklown]

The NFL product is a mess.

[No Excuses]

Just now, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

So, basically, if you draft Lebron, you are punished and do not have the ability to build a good team around him. This is stupid.

 

This is the NFL model.

 

The NFL model somehow both sucks from the aspect that no one can keep anyone and also always leads to New England being in the Super Bowl anyway.

 

Under this idiotic plan, it's just bad Cavs' teams going to the Finals forever.

 

If you want to view the sport from a purely entetainment purpose, the NFL model is a billion times better than the NBA for making the league enjoyable for a broader audience.

 

Right now, there are a handful of NBA GM’s just dunking on everyone else with no end in sight. Fans of perpetually mediocre teams have nothing to look forward to because the NBA brutally punishes bad decisions and is extremely rewarding for being either lucky or in rare instances, savvy. 

[Going Commando]

5 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

The NFL is unwatchable

 

Not for the vast majority of sports entertainment consumers.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

10 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

In general, the NBA needs to include more flexibility for teams to get out of bad contracts as well. 

 

 

This is actually the real problem and is something that needs to be done. Because again, you create Milwaukee or New Orleans - teams with a superstar and no ability to get better. Just give each team a one-time $20/$25 million buyout that can be used once every four years or something. If Pat Reilly could just eat Whiteside's contract and get back into the free agency market, suddenly life is a lot more interesting.

 

Granted, that will help the richer clubs, but at some point, every rule helps or hurts someone.

 

Imagine if Houston could just pay off Ryan Anderson and make him go away forever. They could lock down Paul and Capella and let Morey do his Morey thing of finding a great Stretch 4 on the cheap. Or maybe New Orleans pays off Cousins and gets into the Chris Paul or Paul George market.

Just now, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

Not for the vast majority of sports entertainment consumers.

 Haven't we spent the last two years wondering where the bottom is on the NFL ratings?

 

The NFL is the last true cultural monolith in America, and it's crumbling as we speak.

 

The NBA was not that even at the height of the Jordan Era. It's certainly not going to be that going forward.

 

You might as well start a new tv network with the stated goal of "Being NBC." You're trying to become something that died five years ago but is big enough to survive for decades as it rots.

 

 

[No Excuses]

Right now the Celtics are on pace to dominating the Eastern Conference since they will be allowed to exceed the soft cap for resigning Tatum, Brown and everyone else they drafted. No one but Celtics fans are excited for this clown pounding the rest of the East will receive.  

 

Now imagine if the Celtics were forced to make tough choices on who to bring back or not.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

7 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

The NFL product is a mess.

 

I swear to Christ, haven't we spent the last two years ****ing about how terrible the NFL is? It's ratings are in free-fall. The games take six hours. The games are unwatchable until October because there is no training camp. The games are unwatchable after October, because everyone is hurt. No one knows what a catch is. No one has a home-filed advantage any longer, because of the secondary ticket market. And New England goes to the Super Bowl every year.

1 minute ago, No Excuses said:

Right now the Celtics are on pace to dominating the Eastern Conference since they will be allowed to exceed the soft cap for resigning Tatum, Brown and everyone else they drafted. No one but Celtics fans are excited for this clown pounding the rest of the East will receive.  

 

Now imagine if the Celtics were forced to make tough choices on who to bring back or not.

 

McQueen has the Sixers winning the next 8 titles.

 

Shouldn't you two decide which team needs to be gutted first?

[Going Commando]

LKB, people will always love watching sports, whether they do it on a tv network or some other technology.  People will consume good content.

 

Basketball is a better sport than football, but the NFL is a far better league than the NBA.  It doesn't have to be this way.  Basketball has cross racial and socioeconomic appeal just like football.  But rural and red state whites are fans of teams, not players.  You will never win their eyeballs and wallets with a two team Harlem globetrotters talent exhibition.  You need broad, honest to god competition.

[No Excuses]

16 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

McQueen has the Sixers winning the next 8 titles.

 

Shouldn't you two decide which team needs to be gutted first?

 

The Sixers are one foot injury away from being perpetually mediocre. 

[justice98]

32 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

Right now the Celtics are on pace to dominating the Eastern Conference since they will be allowed to exceed the soft cap for resigning Tatum, Brown and everyone else they drafted. No one but Celtics fans are excited for this clown pounding the rest of the East will receive.  

 

Now imagine if the Celtics were forced to make tough choices on who to bring back or not.

 

They will, just not for a few years.  They're not gonna pay all their starters the max, which if these youngsters live up to potential is what they'll command. 

 

They basically are just benefiting from good front office management and drafting.  Which is a concept that nobody had a problem with before just recently.  

Edited May 29, 2018 by justice98

[The Evil Genius]

What about OKC for LeBron? After next year, they really only have Westbrook and Adams signed for big money.

[justice98]

29 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

This is actually the real problem and is something that needs to be done. Because again, you create Milwaukee or New Orleans - teams with a superstar and no ability to get better. Just give each team a one-time $20/$25 million buyout that can be used once every four years or something. If Pat Reilly could just eat Whiteside's contract and get back into the free agency market, suddenly life is a lot more interesting.

 

 

 

I dont agree with that.  There's nothing preventing teams from getting better other than the quality of their front office.  

 

I mean, NO and Milwaukee have done exactly what you said they couldn't do.  The Pelicans went from 30 wins to 48 in 3 years, each building around a young superstar they drafted. Milwaukee went from 33 to 44 in the same period, also around a young drafted superstar.  Unless the argument is they've peaked and this is as good as they'll ever get.  

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

22 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

LKB, people will always love watching sports, whether they do it on a tv network or some other technology.  People will consume good content.

 

Basketball is a better sport than football, but the NFL is a far better league than the NBA.  It doesn't have to be this way.  Basketball has cross racial and socioeconomic appeal just like football.  But rural and red state whites are fans of teams, not players.  You will never win their eyeballs and wallets with a two team Harlem globetrotters talent exhibition.  You need broad, honest to god competition.

 

Which in 60 years, the NBA has only produced when there was another league that took all the talent.

 

Did you guys **** like this during the 90s when Jordan won every year?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

5 minutes ago, justice98 said:

 

I dont agree with that.  There's nothing preventing teams from getting better other than the quality of their front office.  

 

I mean, NO and Milwaukee have done exactly what you said they couldn't do.  The Pelicans went from 30 wins to 48 in 3 years, each building around a young superstar they drafted. Milwaukee went from 33 to 44 in the same period, also around a young drafted superstar.  Unless the argument is they've peaked and this is as good as they'll ever get.  

 

I don't know if they've peake. Giannis and AD can get better.

 

The problem is that their rosters are pretty much locked for the next two years.

 

This is the problem Lebron had at the end of his first run in Cleveland (and pretty much his time now).

 

[No Excuses]

14 minutes ago, Lombardi's_kid_brother said:

 

Did you guys **** like this during the 90s when Jordan won every year?

 

I was like 5 years old. 

 

My entire adult frame of reference for the NBA is a bunch of bad Wizards teams being dominated by LeBron.

[Destino]

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

When the Warriors played their game, even if it was only for a half, they killed Houston. 

Every team looks better when things are going well.  The Warriors weren't just randomly holding back, there were times when they dominated and others when they didn't.  Those are the normal ebbs and flows of a competitive matchup.  

 

3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

If we want to speculate at what might have happened due to injuries, we can do it the other way too.  If Iggy doesn't get hurt, then maybe Houston can't squeak out wins in games 4 and 5.

Iggy isn't CP3.  A two star team losing one of them isn't nearly the same thing as a four star team losing a role player.  If the Warriors had lost Curry or Durant, that would have been closer.  Losing CP3 crippled the Rockets.  

[TradeTheBeal!]

CP3’s hammy and some very questionable officiating gave the series to GS.  The Rockets were the better team.

[Bozo the kKklown]

CP3 had a bad series before the injury. I know no one wants to admit that, but the numbers are there.

 

CP3 is obviously a better player than Iggy, but not having Iggy killed hte Warriors depth and messed up their rotation. I don't think its crazy at all.

[Renegade7]

8 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

I was like 5 years old. 

 

My entire adult frame of reference for the NBA is a bunch of bad Wizards teams being dominated by LeBron.

[Dont Taze Me Bro]

43 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

LKB, people will always love watching sports, whether they do it on a tv network or some other technology.  People will consume good content.

 

Basketball is a better sport than football, but the NFL is a far better league than the NBA.  It doesn't have to be this way.  Basketball has cross racial and socioeconomic appeal just like football.  But rural and red state whites are fans of teams, not players.  You will never win their eyeballs and wallets with a two team Harlem globetrotters talent exhibition.  You need broad, honest to god competition.

 

I don't keep up with attendance across the league years ago or really today.  But living in Charlotte and going to games either buying a ticket or using my uncles seats (back at the Hive, not the current venue) getting tickets back in the 90s was hard to do depending on who came to town.  When I'd go to see the Bulls, we were lucky to get a pair of cheap upper level seats.  And the place would be packed/sold out.  

 

Same for when teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, Heat, Magic, etc.  People went to games to see all-star players back then like Shaq, Kemp, Ewing, etc.  And just like a lot of places, when playing horrible teams with no real super star, seats were easier to get.  And from what I can tell, it's still the same even though the Bobcats/Hornets have sucked since Charlotte got a franchise back.  Attendance is over 19K when they play Cleveland and Golden State, but lower around 15K or less when playing a team like Memphis.  

 

And I'm not disagreeing with you that improvements in the overall product aren't needed.  Just that people/fans still go to games to see certain players play live.  It might be a once in a lifetime chance for them to do so.  

 

Edited May 29, 2018 by Dont Taze Me Bro

[Bozo the kKklown]

12 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

CP3’s hammy and some very questionable officiating gave the series to GS.  The Rockets were the better team.

Miss me with all of this.

 

The Rockets offense is either 3pointers, transition layups, or free throws. Harden is the king of getting BS fouls.

 

The Rockets blew 15 and 17 point leads the last two games. Thats why they lost. 

 

And the Warriors ended this series with a +62 scoring margin. They were the better team.

Edited May 29, 2018 by BenningRoadSkin

[Hersh]

10 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

CP3’s hammy and some very questionable officiating gave the series to GS.  The Rockets were the better team.

 

and maybe the Rockets shooting 7-44 from 3pt land at home in game 7? 

[TradeTheBeal!]

*puts fingers in ears*

*pours salt all throughout the land*

 

Go Cleveland!

[Dr. Do Itch Big]

18 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said:

CP3’s hammy and some very questionable officiating gave the series to GS.  The Rockets were the better team.

You took the Warriors -6 yesterday