WP: Milloy: Redskins’ bad karma comes from offensive name

[DCranon21]

This is about as bad as the Tom Joyner segment he did Monday. These folks need to give it up. The name is staying here until the NFL ceases operations.

[Skinsfan In NM]

Hmm saw this was moved from the Stadium, really thought it would just be moved to trash, where all articles like this deserve to be.

[talk show host]

Refuse to click on the link. The thread title says it all - its rubbish. There's no such thing as karma, atleast not in the sense the author is using. The names not offensive to most people. I'm sure there are some people who will be offended at just about anything:

The VIKINGS were responsible for alot of violence and bloodshed - why honor them by naming a team after them?

RAMS are considered sacred in some religions/cultures. naming a team that is insensitive.

BUCCANEERS were pirates - criminals who stole from, and murdered, innocent people

The name should not be changed.

[Riggo'sRangers]

They are coming out in droves now it seems. Going to be a delightful offseason! :point2sky HTTR

[Redskins Diehard]

There are actually 2 pretty good articles in the Post. Click on them so the paper can see that quality journalism gets clicks..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/robert-griffin-iiis-knee-injury-a-complex-joint-and-a-complex-decision/2013/01/07/0d551aaa-58e7-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-dont-blame-shanahan-for-leaving-rgiii-in-game/2013/01/07/96e5e71e-5909-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_story.html

In other news....Backstrom visiting a specialist also...what kind of karma does "Caps" create?

[AsburySkinsFan]

That didn't take long. I won't even click on the link to give this 'journalist' traffic.

Yep, made that mistake then clicked out, I'm not adding to his traffic.

[Leonard Washington]

So this is a tailgate story now...

Stupid article that capitalizes on the typical Redskins bad luck.

We get an all-world QB and ruin him in one year. :doh:

[Jumbo]

There's way too many wastes of oxygen on this planet.

[mcsluggo]

Miloy's writing is amazingly in its ability to be constantly turdish. Often I would think i would be supporting his position, but he manages to so stink it up so thoroughly that it is impossible to support him.

just. always. turdish.

[MattFancy]

Dan Steinberg @dcsportsbog

D.C. mayor: If Skins return to the city, "there’s no doubt there’s going to have to be a discussion about" their name

[visionary]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mike-debonis/wp/2013/01/09/redskins-name-change-should-be-discussed-vincent-gray-says/

Redskins name change should be discussed, Vincent Gray says

The Redskins’ resurgence has District politicos once again talking about what it would take to relocate the team back inside the city limits. But Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) today suggested there would have to be a controversial prerequisite to any stadium deal: a name change, or at least discussion of one.

As Courtland Milloy reminded Washington Post readers today, the Redskins moniker has been under fire for decades for being, plainly, a racial slur. The team, under the ownership of both Jack Kent Cooke and Daniel M. Snyder, has resisted making a change.

“I think that if they get serious with the team coming back to Washington, there’s no doubt there’s going to have to be a discussion about that,” he said after a news conference, “and of course the team is going to have to work with us around that issue.”

[Mark The Homer]

Milloy is a buffoon, and anybody who reads the Post on a regular basis knows it.

He has routinely written about how the Redskins name should be changed. Over and over and over he writes these articles. Once he wrote a column on this, and then a week later wrote a different article on the exact same subject!

I mean, really? Can't he think of some new material? There is no doubt in my mind that the Post hired him because he was black, and they had to meet some sort of quota. Why else would they have hired him? It certainly isn't because of his writing talent. This is a guy who thinks "endzone" is two words.

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?344059-WP-Snyder-s-devil-is-in-the-details-and-a-name.-By-Courtland-Milloy&p=8150367&viewfull=1#post8150367

Apparently, we're not the only ones who know Milloy is a jackass.

Here are some letters to the editor in today's paper complaining about this jerk.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-wrong-time-for-milloy-to-grind-his-ax/2013/01/11/f3b01d56-5a9f-11e2-b8b2-0d18a64c8dfa_story.html

The Post should let him go.

[elkabong82]

The Redskins are one of the most successful teams in NFL history, all while donning the name, so no, no bad karma there, just an idiot journalist grinding the same old axe, and making light of a serious player injury to do so. Classless moron.

You can't explain away that there are Native American schools with the same name and similar mascots, so maybe stop trying to be outraged for a group of which the majority is not expressing that same outrage.

[Pwyl]

So has anyone here ever actually seen the term redskin used as a racial slur?

[Mark The Homer]

No.

See the first post here:

http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?283690-***-NOTEWORTHY-POSTS-***-Recent-Addition-ES-First-Cousins-Once-RG3-is-Removed

[Xameil]

Yankee was a slang for Americans...I find this very offensive and I demand the name be changed....

[jnhay]

The idea of "bad karma" makes absolutely no sense at all. If it did, what did the Eagles do to get where they are?

I'm really tired of people who don't really care, acting like they care because they want to debate and seem thoughtful. You're not thoughtful. You're not intelligent. Just shut up.

[Mr. Sinister]

This has always been something I've joked about with other Redskins fans, but it absolutely astonishes me that this was actually written, approved, and published.

[AsburySkinsFan]

After 7 pages has anyone actually pointed out that the use of karma being used in the editorial is not what karma is at all?

Karma is one's inheritance that you pass to yourself from one life to the next....not this silliness.

[Mark The Homer]

...look at the thread tags...

[aREDSKIN]

, but it absolutely astonishes me that this was actually written, approved, and published.

Not me actually, it is after all the WaPO & Milloy. Pretty much SOP for them. There's a LONG LONG history of Redskin bashing by the WaPO.

[Burgold]

wouldn't it be funny if the team finally gave in on the name thing and the Redskins were renamed the Washington Bullets?

[AsburySkinsFan]

wouldn't it be funny if the team finally gave in on the name thing and the Redskins were renamed the Washington Bullets?

Or Arsenal, sometimes I just want to move to England where they are a whole lot less wussified. Iloved watching the Roast of Larry the Cable Guy, at one point one of the comedians says something that was pretty borderline racist which was met with an uncomfortable crowd response which was then immediately shot down by the comedian who called them all over liberalized idiots because even the blacks a home were laughing their butts off. I am so tired of everyone walking around waiting to be offended. Is there racism in the world? Yes. Have we been conditioned to over-react to every perceived slight or maybe racial joke? Absolutley.

On the topic of the team name I actually had this discussion with a very good friend of mine who tossed out a passive aggressive objection about the Redskins. To which I drew his attention toward the Red Mesa Navajo High School who have named themselves "Redskins", he was actually unaware of them and had difficulty trying to explain why a school board, teachers and students would elect to call themselves the Redskins. He suggested that it might be like folks calling themselves the N word. I immediately pointed out that the only ones who do that are a certain sub-culture which is very much seen in the negative overall and that school administrations in those communities don't ever name their mascots the N word. At that point he admitted that he didn't know whya school would donthat but objected to the lack of renumeration for natives from teams etc that use their likeness or names. Which obviously is a pretty weak point.

In the end this whole thing comes down to who gets to be the authority to determine what is or isn't offensive? Is it the Native Americans who say that Redskins is offensive or is it the Native Americans who use the very name as their high school mascot? Was it the people who objected to the use of the Seminole name or the Seminoles who fought for the school to retain the name? In the end everyone just needs to dial back the offendedness monitors we wear and take a big dose of chill out.

[Burgold]

I've always had somewhat mixed feelings on the name thing, Asbury.

I oppose changing it because the history and the message of the Redskins is not one of mockery or intolerance or hatred. Now, if we used the Injun Joe logo that I've seen the Redskins use in the 1950's you might have a case, but that noble profile is one of dignity and strength. What the Washington Redskins represent is not overtly or even subtly insulting.

Now, the name itself might be to some. I don't doubt that. I'm sensative to that in the way that I'm sensative to lots of words that are used in our language. Personally, I don't like it when the N word is used or when blacks call themselves that (not drawing a parallel) nor would I talk about myself using Nazi language. With that logic, if Native Americans said... "You are perpetuating hate and causing damage to us." I'd be on their side because only they really know the pain the name or association causes or worse, the ripples that manifest in a community because of it.

That said, I don't see a broad movement against the name from those who have a stake in it. I do see some and I sympathize with them. I won't call them wrong because they have absolutely every right to feel and respond as they do to a name that references them.

So, while I don't think the name should be changed and think the discussion is a bit silly in the end, I do think we should listen to the argument and who is making it. If it is being used as a distraction for political ends or sensationalism for sensationalisms sake then shame on them. If there is honest hurt going on then shame on us.

[AsburySkinsFan]

With that logic, if Native Americans said... "You are perpetuating hate and causing damage to us." I'd be on their side because only they really know the pain the name or association causes or worse, the ripples that manifest in a community because of it.

Agreed, the problem here is that even their community seems to be divided on the issue, so as much as I'd want to be on their side I'm stuck because now the very community that I want to side with has disagreement within itself, so which side do I support? I can agree that those who feel offense have every right to their feelings, but should their feelings be weighed heavier than those from their own community who do not feel offense, and what of those who use the name themselves? Who is gets the final determination? Then from that does offense then become grounds to dictate to everyone else? If so then we end up in a place where under the rule of law any perceived offense must be acknowledged and responded to by name changes etc, which quickly spins into absurdity.