Popeman38 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hersh said: His joke was kinda funny and you did walk right into it. Just sayin... I got no problem laughing at myself. I took his post seriously without looking at it in context, and that's on me. 1 hour ago, TryTheBeal! said: Uh...you made it very clear that the only rural areas that go blue are ones with institutes of higher learning. All I did as paraphrase you humorously. And there are numerous Red urban areas in the US. Touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 hours ago, visionary said: The political and practical implications of the sound bite that's been the defining issue of our entire Party for the last 6 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Larry said: The political and practical implications of the sound bite that's been the defining issue of our entire Party for the last 6 years. That was a super fascinating read. Apparently eliminating a tax break (the employer health insurance) on the rich isn't raising taxes. Did I read that right? It does show that some of these people know they are ****ed taking this on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, Hersh said: That was a super fascinating read. Apparently eliminating a tax break (the employer health insurance) on the rich isn't raising taxes. Did I read that right? It does show that some of these people know they are ****ed taking this on. Do I look like a man with a plan? I'm a dog chasing cars. If I ever caught one, I wouldn't know what to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's as if they never had a plan, don't know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 hours ago, No Excuses said: It's as if they never had a plan, don't know what they are doing. I don't get the quote cause there isn't context. Is he saying it's going to take all year repeal and replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve09ru Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, No Excuses said: It's as if they never had a plan, don't know what they are doing. Or these type of changes just can't happen overnight? Look how long ACA took and the complexity and implementation challenges that had. Unless im wrong, things are still in place minus the penalties for those who don't sign up for health insurance. Edited February 8, 2017 by steve09ru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 FYI - Bernie and Ted Cruz are about to have a town hall debate on health care in about 10 minutes on CNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 hours ago, steve09ru said: Or these type of changes just can't happen overnight? Look how long ACA took and the complexity and implementation challenges that had. Unless im wrong, things are still in place minus the penalties for those who don't sign up for health insurance. Are you defending Paul Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 It's amazing, how the GOP can unanimposly vote to repeal Obamacare. I'm pretty sure over 100 times. How they can actually attach their repeal to things like keeping the government running, or avoiding a debt crisis. But, when it looks like, if they vote for it this time, it might pass? Well hey, now, let's not be hasty. There's no reason to actually vote on it this year, or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Is anyone else watching the debate on CNN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Is anyone else watching the debate on CNN? I watched a little. It's amazing these jack ***** can't work together on just a few issues to positively impact the health care system. Edited February 8, 2017 by Hersh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 7 hours ago, Hersh said: I watched a little. It's amazing these jack ***** can't work together on just a few issues to positively impact the health care system. In watched the majority of it. I didn't think beenie was a good choice because he doesn't seem interested in Obamacare but only single payer. Since the debate was about Obamacare, there should have been at least one person defending it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 16 hours ago, Hersh said: I don't get the quote cause there isn't context. Is he saying it's going to take all year repeal and replace? They are pushing healthcare reform to next year. Trying to make it an election year issue. If majority of the country has a brain, they would punish the GOP for not doing **** for the past 8 years, while complaining about this non-stop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, No Excuses said: If majority of the country has a brain, See, right there is where you lost me.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 35% of Americans do not know that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing with 17% think they are different things (18% are not sure they are the same). 29% of Republicans believed that repeal without replacement would not affect Medicaid or subsidies. http://fortune.com/2017/02/07/obamacare-affordable-care-act-repeal-poll/ This is the problem. Edited February 8, 2017 by PeterMP 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: In watched the majority of it. I didn't think beenie was a good choice because he doesn't seem interested in Obamacare but only single payer. Since the debate was about Obamacare, there should have been at least one person defending it. Yea, not much of a debate. I think Bernie almost answered a question. though. Highlight of the debate for me was the lady that with the hair salon business who claimed she can't afford to expand her business and be Obamacare complaint with her small profit margins. ... ... Wtf lady... why would you expand your business if you're not making any money???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 10% of 100K vs 10% of 100M small margins can be acceptable with volume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, twa said: 10% of 100K vs 10% of 100M small margins can be acceptable with volume Care to loan me a few hundred million? I have an amazing growth plan for my business!!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Mooka said: Yea, not much of a debate. I think Bernie almost answered a question. though. Highlight of the debate for me was the lady that with the hair salon business who claimed she can't afford to expand her business and be Obamacare complaint with her small profit margins. ... ... Wtf lady... why would you expand your business if you're not making any money???? 50 full time employees seems like a lot for a hair salon, no? Perhaps there are other issues here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bliz said: 50 full time employees seems like a lot for a hair salon, no? Perhaps there are other issues here. Ehh. She might own a small chain of them. Be a Hair Cuttery franchisee looking to open some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bliz said: 50 full time employees seems like a lot for a hair salon, no? Perhaps there are other issues here. She said she had 5 shops with 48 employees. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: She said she had 5 shops with 48 employees. That makes more sense. Thanks. I wonder if there aren't loopholes around this. Like, could she say that now instead of paying people $25/hour, because we have to comply with Obamacare we're cutting salaries across the board to $22/hour, but, anyone who chooses to forego health insurance through the company will get an additional $6,000 in compensation, because we don't want anyone to be "punished" with a less lucrative compensation package just because their spouse has a better plan than us or you found something cheaper on the Exchange. Basically structure something like that so you're pushing on to the employees most or all of the cost of having to offer health insurance that wasn't part of the compensation package before Edited February 8, 2017 by Bliz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Always loopholes simply starting a new LLC with slight difference in name is probably the simplest I'd think. Lulu's hair salon vs Lulu's hair styling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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