skinsmarydu Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 If we used import tariffs as they were intended, to keep US citizens working with a living wage, then all those jobs wouldn't be going to China. Very true. Hang in there cupcake. i know you're tryin'. That was condescending as hell, and just flat out MEAN. We're all tryin' to keep what we have, and maybe get ahead, instead of having a liar take it all away., only to give it back to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hang in there cupcake. i know you're tryin'. You know, it's generally not a good idea to call someone a name on here, especially with that sort of demeaning tone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Fox news continues to work it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Big whoop.The Dems could trot a three legged chicken out there and Bruce would put on a free concert for it. This is actually true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 That was condescending as hell, and just flat out MEAN. Yeah, given the context that came off as extremely obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Fox news continues to work it. I stopped visiting that website once they started the "Bias Alert" BS back in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 His Energy secretary has said he wants gas prices to be comparable to those in Europe.Obama has said he wants coal burning power plants out of business. Energy prices need to necessarily skyrocket. Who does that hit the worst? Poor and working class. Isn't that who he claims to be fighting for? Funny way of showing it. This on the other hand is completely false, and is a classic Republic myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killerbee99 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 DieselPwr44 getting PWNED like an old man...lol!!! Overall, pretty sad and delusional, but not to be unexpected from most Republicans now adays. Diesel might as well just type "OBAMA is the debil !!!" and log out just like dropping the mike at a rap battle....lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hang in there cupcake. You know what, I'm not even gonna bother. This will all be over tomorrow, and we can all be friends again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 You know what, I'm not even gonna bother. This will all be over tomorrow, and we can all be friends again Most of us will be. Can't say I'll miss the folks whose heads are gonna 'splode.lol:pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Most of us will be. Can't say I'll miss the folks whose heads are gonna 'splode.lol:pfft: Hope it's not me. :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Hope it's not me. :paranoid: Nope, you're reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Joe Biden:" No coal plants here in America, let them build them over there(China)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 reality check: if ipads were built in america, they'd cost $1,000 apeice. I suppose it would be silly for me to ask if you've got any support for this "reality"? ---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 04:05 PM ---------- This is just getting embarrassing now. I concluded a long time ago that there are a lot of people who simply refuse to be embarrassed. (And this is coming from someone who has gone out in public wearing a Starfleet uniform.) ---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 04:06 PM ---------- You know what, I'm not even gonna bother. This will all be over tomorrow, and we can all be friends again I wish I could be confident that that's true. But, me, I'm really worried about what Congress is going to do with things like the debt ceiling, the tax cuts, and the fiscal cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I suppose it would be silly for me to ask if you've got any support for this "reality"? I wasn't even gonna ask... it wouldn't cost more to the consumer, but it would cut into the over profit per phone by about $20. I have no link to support that, but I've read it a number of times in articles, especially around the time Steve Jobs passed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I suppose it would be silly for me to ask if you've got any support for this "reality"? Well, not $1000. But $967. At least according to this article from Forbes. Of course, it makes a million assumptions to arrive at that figure, but that's what economics is all about, right? :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It only cost about $190 to make an iPhone4. http://www.gizmag.com/apple-cost-iphone4/15583/ In 2010, the iPhone4 retailed at $499. By signing a 2-yr agreement with a service provider, a customer could cut that about in half. Take into account insanely overpriced accessories, the cost of that phone could be upwards of $700-$1,000. (For instance, the average "plastic" cover for phones is about $30-$40.... couldn't cost more than a dollar to make.) but more to the point... it cost about $190 for the chinese to produce it. To even suggest that it would cost 5 times that to be produced in America would require suspended disbelief and a **** ton of political cognitive dissonance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I suppose it would be silly for me to ask if you've got any support for this "reality"? well sure, i pulled that number out of thin air. but come on -- the wages, safety regulations, and conditions in their factories are simply not replicable over here. but we still eagerly gobble up the latest tech gadgets, and then whine about how unfair china is, and whine further about sending manufacturing overseas. seems to me we are tremendous hipocrites about that. ---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 04:21 PM ---------- Well, not $1000. But $967. At least according to this article from Forbes. Of course, it makes a million assumptions to arrive at that figure, but that's what economics is all about, right? :pfft: oh wow, i had no idea such a thing existed. glad that Forbes agrees with the number i randomly made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Not really on the topic of the current administration, but it does have to do with the Democratic Party. I've been reading up on the '48 election between Tom Dewey and Harry Truman. Truman had no business winning that election, yet he did. It's incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It only cost about $190 to make an iPhone4.http://www.gizmag.com/apple-cost-iphone4/15583/ In 2010, the iPhone4 retailed at $499. By signing a 2-yr agreement with a service provider, a customer could cut that about in half. Take into account insanely overpriced accessories, the cost of that phone could be upwards of $700-$1,000. (For instance, the average "plastic" cover for phones is about $30-$40.... could cost more than 10cents to make.) but more to the point... it cost about $190 for the chinese to produce it. To even suggest that it would cost 5 times that to be produced in America would require suspended disbelief and a **** ton of political cognitive dissonance. I love ES and have a slight addiction. But my mobile phone IS A PHONE. I do not expect it to run the world. When I'm at work, it would be drastically unprofessional for me to be surfing ES, even though alot of my guests would like to know what's going on, since they don't know how to log onto THEIR site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 but more to the point... it cost about $190 for the chinese to produce it. To even suggest that it would cost 5 times that to be produced in America would require suspended disbelief and a **** ton of political cognitive dissonance. i find it very easy to believe. have you read anything about what chinese iphone factories are like? women and children live in fenced-in compounds, are paid almost nothing (by western standards) in unsafe and horrendous conditions assembling the things. the safety regulations, wages, and conditions required by american workers could easily multiply costs fivefold. (i am NOT suggesting we adopt chinese labor practices in order to compete.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS@THEGOALLINE Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Joe Biden:" No coal plants here in America, let them build them over there(China)." Mitt Romney: "This plant kills." When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/16/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 i find it very easy to believe. have you read anything about what chinese iphone factories are like? women and children live in fenced-in compounds, are paid almost nothing (by western standards) in unsafe and horrendous conditions assembling the things. the safety regulations, wages, and conditions required by american workers could easily multiply costs fivefold. (i am NOT suggesting we adopt chinese labor practices in order to compete.) Yes, I have. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html and let's note a comment to the article... As an Apple shareholder, and lover and owner of Apple products, I feel obliged to comment on this article. Paying workers $17 a day is why Tim Cook can earn almost half a billion dollars a year and why Steve Jobs could commission a yacht that costs hundreds of millions. G R E E D. Nothing else to it; American workers are skilled (the Boeing aircraft built in this country attest to it) and supply chain logistics are not a Chinese skill (I spent 24 years working in the logistics industry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Joe Biden:" No coal plants here in America, let them build them over there(China)." Let's be real....that isn't what he was really saying. Context is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Mitt Romney: "This plant kills."When Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts, he "stood in front of a coal plant and pointed at it and said, ‘This plant kills.’" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/16/barack-obama/obama-says-romney-once-said-coal-burning-plant-kil/ yeah but that was the pro-choice universal healthcare romney. the etch-a-sketch has been shook like 5 times since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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