Dub70s Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 my cut list for next seasonStallworth, Donte Hightower, Tim Torain, Ryan Sellers, Mike McIntosh, Rocky Landry, LaRon [only bring back for a average contract] Locklear, Sean Golston, Kedric Fox, Keyaron Cook, Erik Byrd, Dominique Beck, John Austin, Terrence Banks, Brandon Barnes, Kevin Alexander, Lorenzo Gaffney, Jabar Scott, Darrion Grossman. Rex If we need a ST player instead of a real backup then resign a few a vet min.I think we can get younger and better than these. Once we are out of it we need to bring in the PS players and give them their shot. I can only see 1 even being helpful May I ask, with whom do you replace them with..... I've said it once and I say it again, in my 30+ years of rooting for the Skins = I am not a fan of Skins Fans [they always over react]. I understood on draft day that once the 1st round draft pick went on a defensive player.....Mike was sticking to his Defense first philosophy. This offense is going to be a two year process. Now, I can be patient for that....what else are you going to do.....FAN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 As much as I love Banks, it's pretty hard to argue this after his year to date.Although I don't think he's been helped out much at all by the lack of blocking in front of him; he now appears to be trying too hard to make something happen which is leading to some real questionable mental decisions out there. (The muffed catches just the latest to add to some boneheaded returns from stupendously deep positions. Although his coach should of nipped that in the bud already.). There's other's like Sellers, Stallworth and Scott who also contribute next to nothing I'd cut before him still; but ultimately if your not contributing, through whatever factor, to the one thing your there for; it's real hard to justify keeping you around. Talking of wide-outs, I'm hopeful the speedster Robinson gets bumped sooner rather than later to see what we have in him in live action regular season play. Hail. I generally agree with this. The thing is that Banks is a specialist. He only does 1 thing. And right now, he's not doing it well at all. The decisions that he's making are poor, he's muffing punts, dropping kickoffs, etc. Not good. And with the rule change of the kickoff from the 35, the need for a specialized kickoff returner is diminished. I don't know that I'd cut him this season, no real point, unless they want to bring up another OL or something. But at this rate, he isn't going to make the team next year. This year is just an extended pre-season. ---------- Post added November-7th-2011 at 07:25 AM ---------- my cut list for next seasonStallworth, Donte Hightower, Tim Torain, Ryan Sellers, Mike McIntosh, Rocky Landry, LaRon [only bring back for a average contract] Locklear, Sean Golston, Kedric Fox, Keyaron Cook, Erik Byrd, Dominique Beck, John Austin, Terrence Banks, Brandon Barnes, Kevin Alexander, Lorenzo Gaffney, Jabar Scott, Darrion Grossman. Rex If we need a ST player instead of a real backup then resign a few a vet min.I think we can get younger and better than these. Once we are out of it we need to bring in the PS players and give them their shot. I can only see 1 even being helpful I think that there are a number of those guys who are going to get cut. But here's the thing. They are DEPTH. What you really want is not to cut them, but to have them around for depth. You want to replace them with better starters. One of the biggest problems with this team is lack of depth. Look, you're not going to have starting caliber players backing up starters in this league. But you need depth. So keeping people like McIntosh, Golsten, Barnes, etc. is exactly what you want. As long as they are not starting. Though, on your list, you forgot the one guy I think they need to find a way to cut: Doughty, Reed. Same as Stephon Heyer last year, the guy is just overmatched as a safety. He knows what to do, but the problem is that whenever he's out there, he can't do it. He's the best option right now, and they have to find a way to get a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub70s Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I generally agree with this. The thing is that Banks is a specialist. He only does 1 thing. And right now, he's not doing it well at all. The decisions that he's making are poor, he's muffing punts, dropping kickoffs, etc. Not good.And with the rule change of the kickoff from the 35, the need for a specialized kickoff returner is diminished. I don't know that I'd cut him this season, no real point, unless they want to bring up another OL or something. But at this rate, he isn't going to make the team next year. This year is just an extended pre-season. He is not a specialist....... He's a small WR with speed....he didn't come into this league as a punt returner. He's better when he tries to run to the outside anyway, hopefully the can scheme the returns that way....but at game speed on the field, you never know what he's seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever21 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 While I suspect Niles Paul is going to see more time in the future -- I also think we'll see Banks for a while longer. Maybe the coaches see that Banks' injury is improving and they hope he'll regain his explosiveness. But Banks better show something soon, because his level of play simply isn't "special" enough to justify his spot as a 'return specialist'. Well said. I was a Banks fan at first. But this season we have seen so little of that game breaker look we seemed to see plenty last season that I have wondered if his spot wouldn't be better used on a young OL guy with something to prove (if there's one out there on the practice squad or unsigned). If Paul can do what Banks is doing and Paul can play WR. The decision should be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 All that points to poor coaching, to me. But that would mean Danny Smith is at fault, and as we all know, so many other teams want him that all of these continuing mistakes by special teams are just figments of your imagination. Can someone tell me why I saw Danny Smith talking to John Beck right after he threw his first interception? Is he so bad we're just considering him our "short punter' now? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 And I can't stand when Banks makes a stupid decision and then pounds the ball thinking he almost broke one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins island connection Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm thinking the league will review and change the kickoff rules next year; there are too many good quality ST players whose numbers are dropping off. M y guess is they wait to find what we're gonna do with Banks, THEN make the change; just our luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 its wierd, why does banks look slow out there now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm thinking the league will review and change the kickoff rules next year; there are too many good quality ST players whose numbers are dropping off.M y guess is they wait to find what we're gonna do with Banks, THEN make the change; just our luck... I find it hard to believe they're gonna change the rules to accommodate kick returner stats. If they were worried about that, they wouldn't have gotten rid of the wedge. Guys are still returning kicks, just not as many. If you look at the KR average per return last year vs this year, it's not a whole lot of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub70s Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He has to get past two defenders first, then choose his route. Hard to do when they now have a 5 yard head start over last year..... Danny should have anticipated this and schemed for it....set Banks up to shift to the outside where he can burn. Our blocking has to become better. I saw a Skins player get blown off of his block right Banks could make a cut. ---------- Post added November-7th-2011 at 10:49 AM ---------- I find it hard to believe they're gonna change the rules to accommodate kick returner stats. If they were worried about that, they wouldn't have gotten rid of the wedge. Guys are still returning kicks, just not as many. If you look at the KR average per return last year vs this year, it's not a whole lot of difference. 8 guys are returning kicks in the NFL and only 3 of them are +40 yards.....there is a whole lot of difference than in 2010 its halved at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Talking of wide-outs, I'm hopeful the speedster Robinson gets bumped sooner rather than later to see what we have in him in live action regular season play.Hail. Yes. I'd cut Stallworth and Banks this week and promote Robinson. I'd then sign some depth at OL or in the secondary with the other roster spot. Let Paul and/or Austin get some work on returns. If you're a very good team, you can probably afford to keep specialists as a luxury. When you have holes all over the place, you need guys who can do more than one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 8 guys are returning kicks in the NFL and only 3 of them are +40 yards.....there is a whole lot of difference than in 2010 its halved at this point. That doesn't even make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He's better when he tries to run to the outside anyway, hopefully the can scheme the returns that way....but at game speed on the field, you never know what he's seeing. i agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub70s Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 That doesn't even make sense. look at the stats on NFL.com if you don't believe me. You didn't even back up your statement with any truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsrbeast Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Our kick coverage is and has been top 10 in the league for awhile, but banks is just very dumb and very east west. He brings it out from way too deep he caught a punt inside the five and he never runs hard and with a purpose. Always seems scared and dancing around a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He is not a specialist.......He's a small WR with speed....he didn't come into this league as a punt returner. Banks has not seen a single snap at receiver this year and doe not look likely to either. He is on the roster as a pure return guy and since he is doing no more than an average job in that role (at best) and could be replaced by other players already on the roster who are part of the offensive rotations (Niles Paul say) its very very hard to justify him taking up a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He is cheap and can break one at any point. Thank goodness most of you are not the GM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper 21 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 he will need to improve vastly from last game if he wants my support still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtpop Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He uses absolutely no common sense, when kick is 8 or 9 yards deep TAKE A KNEE. When fielding a punt if it is over your head and you are at the 10 yard line DON'T FIELD IT. He is cheap but he has cost us a ton of field position due to poor decisions IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 He is cheap and can break one at any point. Thank goodness most of you are not the GM! What games have you watches in the last 8 that give an indication he is ready to break one at any point? He is not and takes a roster spot with no production. I agree with the cheap part, we are getting what we are paying for..nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akorn22 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I think Brandon Banks may have been the most every hyped redskins who never actually did anything good. This guy was hailed as an elite returner before he ever ran back a kick or punt. He always makes the dumbest decisions to take the ball out of the endzone when he should just take a knee. He also gets more yards running side to side than he gets running foward. He really has no contributuion to the team. I agree with the op, he needs to be cut immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsdude Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He is cheap and can break one at any point. Thank goodness most of you are not the GM! You have to catch the ball before you can break one. He has yet to master that talent this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycoach Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 We're better with him than without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 We're better with him than without him. This really is what it comes down to. I agree, Banks' production really has taken a dive since preseason. He shifts from side to side, makes some boneheaded plays (drops, catching on the 3, taking out from the back of the end zone, etc), and has generally made a NEGATIVE impact every time he touches the ball, on average. Still, he has shown enough playmaking ability that we really have nothing to lose by keeping him. We've got all of our young guys on the field already, why would we cut him, to take a flyer on Owens or some other vet? No thanks, may as well let this thing run out and if he cant turn it around by year-end, cut him in the offseason and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 He is cheap and can break one at any point. Thank goodness most of you are not the GM! Right...had anyone cut Banks by now, who knows where we'd be. We would have lost that Detroit game (that we lost anyway) by even more! Banks' 1 TD through 24 games isn't replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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