gortiz Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Just curious ... I know this question is a complex one and trying to strip it down to this level is tough, but are the illegal immigrants to blame, or the employees that hire them for the cheap labor. Is it as simple as saying ... If U.S. employers stopped hiring illegal immigrant workers, would illegal immigration cease to be a "problem" for the U.S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Should be a poll. I say the employers are at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted June 22, 2011 Author Share Posted June 22, 2011 Should be a poll. I say the employers are at fault. on it ... (sorry for the typo!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I vote employers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Depends on teh employer. If Walmart does it, that's a big issue. If I hire someone to rake my leaves in the fall, do I need to check papers first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 If they're here illegally, they shouldn't be able to work, so the employers shouldn't hire them. I know the company I work for, we have to verify every person we hire is allowed to work in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 speaking of which, I drove up to the Home Depot the other morning and 12 illegal immigrants rushed over to my truck inquiring about trabajo. I'm not a contractor, I just drive a big truck so I had to politely shoo them away. Guess times are tough for illegals as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 IMHO, Both are at fault as well as the Federal Government for turning a blind eye at the quasi Indentured Servitude thats been going on for decades. As much as I'm no fan of Unions it would be funny as heck if the illegals are unionized and get the same benefits and fair wages the employers are avoiding paying grandfathered in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 It's a two part question really: the employers and law enforcement/legal system that does not prosecute the laws that sanction employers that hire illegals. Employers need to be held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 8-0 employers. So let's give the government a pass and blame private industry. Pretty typical for this board. How are employers guilty when illegals can get drivers licenses and their kids can attend public schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 IMHO, Both are at fault as well as the Federal Government for turning a blind eye at the quasi Indentured Servitude thats been going on for decades. I agree with Navy Dave? :thud: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Someone/company is hiring them and there are laws against hiring undocumented workers. Those laws are not being prosecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I blame myself. If the price of chicken and mushrooms suddenly skyrocketed because of DOL raids, I would probably be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I agree with Navy Dave? :thud: That explains the Storms clouds rolling into the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 It takes 2 to tango. Both sides have to break the law in order for illegal immigrants to have jobs. You cant really blame companies for hiring the cheapest labor they can find, and you can't really blame folks for going to where the work is. Of course, you CAN blame companies for hiring undocumented worker and you CAN blame people for border jumping. Both sides are equally at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubstix Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Both are at blame. Simply put the blame on the employer only is ridiculous. You people obviously have not dealt with Illegal immigrants like I have. Google illegal immigrants Hazleton. Probably 5% of illegal immigrants have jobs in Hazleton. The 95% get free money from the government, free housing, and sell drugs on a daily basis. Nobody ever questions how an illegal with no job, no social security #, no driver license seems to ride around town in a Cadillac Escalade. I hate illegal immigrants and wish the government will deport EVERYONE with no social security # no ifs/ands/buts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I checked the invisible third option. "The government that fails to secure its borders." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliz Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Both, and more. With the recent immigration law that was passed, farmers in Georgia are having an extraordinarily difficult time finding anyone they can hire to pick berries or do similar work that machines can't do. Unemployment is 9%. There's a pretty big disconnect there. Why aren't unemployed legal residents flocking to these newly open jobs? We all benefit from and actively seek out cheaper construction, food, hotel, restaurant, etc., and we will be angry when those prices go up and will probably blame that on the fed govt. If you think you're above the problem and not a part of it, you're probably fooling yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpyaks3 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Both are at blame. Simply put the blame on the employer only is ridiculous. You people obviously have not dealt with Illegal immigrants like I have. Google illegal immigrants Hazleton. Probably 5% of illegal immigrants have jobs in Hazleton. The 95% get free money from the government, free housing, and sell drugs on a daily basis. Nobody ever questions how an illegal with no job, no social security #, no driver license seems to ride around town in a Cadillac Escalade. I hate illegal immigrants and wish the government will deport EVERYONE with no social security # no ifs/ands/buts. Hey just what we need random anecdote. How do you know the guy driving in the Escalade has no license, social security number or is here illegally? Also blame is on the employers in my opinion they are the ones who create the market and exploit the workers. All the immigrants are doing is following the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I think its both, but I think our country is going about reform all wrong ti begin with. I'd like to see immigration made much, much easier for all who wish to come here, thus removing the need to sneak in for those with good intentions, and allow a better focus on stopping those with the bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Neither. This is the most overhyped stereotyped issue there is out there now. I have no problem with anyone who comes here to work and improve his life. The blame game about immigrants stealing our jobs is bogus. As for employers, unless you want to see your grocery bill triple and pay $8 for a whopper, just deal with it. Edit:agree w/SS's post above mine. If you want to come here to work,agree to speak English, then no problem...but no social safety net if you fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojobo Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 If an illegal immigrant is here and receives no public assistance, does not commit a crime (other than coming here illegally), and is able to find work then is it really a problem in the first place? Not saying that they don't receive public assistance or commit crimes, but for arguments sake assuming they don't is it really a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick6 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 I agree with others. Come here, work hard, speak english, kids work hard in school, and we continue to get cheap consumer goods. It is when gangs like MS13 get out of control and drugs take over certain areas that is a problem, but I have no problem with a family coming here to do honest labor and better their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaw Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 IMHO, Both are at fault as well as the Federal Government for turning a blind eye at the quasi Indentured Servitude thats been going on for decades. QFT! Illegals are to blame because they are committing a crime (that is why they are called ILLEGALS). Employers are wrong for hiring illegals. Federal and State governments are wrong for truning a blind eye to it just to gain a few votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted June 22, 2011 Share Posted June 22, 2011 Supply will meet with demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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