Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 hypocritical and I imagine damaging to equal rights cause I don't know if I agree with this. This really is the ying and yang of civil rights issues. Pure integration would eventually mean that all corners of the culture where minorities have created their own niche would be overwhelmed by the dominant culture. Is Howard University still Howard University if its student body has the same racial makeup of the population at large? I've never completely worked out a perfect system for this issues. So, I'm just a bloody hypocrite about it. Straight people have a million places to play softball. To hell with the plaintiffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't know if I agree with this.This really is the ying and yang of civil rights issues. Pure integration would eventually mean that all corners of the culture where minorities have created their own niche would be overwhelmed by the dominant culture. Is Howard University still Howard University if its student body has the same racial makeup of the population at large? I've never completely worked out a perfect system for this issues. So' date=' I'm just a bloody hypocrite about it. Straight people have a million places to play softball. To hell with the plaintiffs.[/quote'] are you saying that Gay people dont also have the very same million places to play too? How about no special restriction leagues at all and simply let everyone play together instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't know if I agree with this.This really is the ying and yang of civil rights issues. Pure integration would eventually mean that all corners of the culture where minorities have created their own niche would be overwhelmed by the dominant culture. Is Howard University still Howard University if its student body has the same racial makeup of the population at large? I've never completely worked out a perfect system for this issues. So' date=' I'm just a bloody hypocrite about it. Straight people have a million places to play softball. To hell with the plaintiffs.[/quote'] Is more and more segregation really the answer to discrimination ? Most of us would applaud gays if they sued over being denied the right to play in a "non-gay" league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't know if I agree with this.This really is the ying and yang of civil rights issues. Pure integration would eventually mean that all corners of the culture where minorities have created their own niche would be overwhelmed by the dominant culture. Is Howard University still Howard University if its student body has the same racial makeup of the population at large? I've never completely worked out a perfect system for this issues. So' date=' I'm just a bloody hypocrite about it. Straight people have a million places to play softball. To hell with the plaintiffs.[/quote'] Throwing the racial element into this really blows your theory. Blacks dominate many sports in this country. So would you still support having non-integrated baseball? Or how bout basketball. (Nobody would watch either, of course, for the same reason that no one watches the WNBA. But I digress.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 are you saying that Gay people dont also have the very same million places to play too?How about no special restriction leagues at all and simply let everyone play together instead? C'mon, think about what your saying here and where it leads. Do you really want grown men to be able to join the Boy Scouts. Do you really want Catholic Priests going overnight camping with Cub Scouts and sharing a tent! Do you want that on your head!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 are you saying that Gay people dont also have the very same million places to play too?How about no special restriction leagues at all and simply let everyone play together instead? the point isn't softball, though. the point is to socialize. You think adult kickball is about competing in kickball, or a fun and active way to meet people of the opposite sex? I view this in the same way (well, not opposite sex in this example) as it is supposed to be a way for men who like men to meet other men who like men in a fun and active environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 It is discrimination-lite and the guys kicked out may have a point unless they just sucked too much to make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I've never completely worked out a perfect system for this issues. So' date=' I'm just a bloody hypocrite about it. Straight people have a million places to play softball. To hell with the plaintiffs.[/quote']I've had the same dilemma. I have a problem with discrimination, and think it should be illegal. But I also think that there are some places that discriminate, that I approve of. My examples are the Boy Scouts (must be a boy) and Hooter's (must have hooters). I don't have a problem with them discriminating. The solution I've come up with, would be for society to pass and enforce laws prohibiting discrimination, but any business has the power to exempt themselves from the law. All the business has to do is to: 1) File a legal document in which the business states that discrimination is a fundamental part of their corporate identity. That the business has to discriminate (in the specified manner), or else it would no longer be the business that it is. 2) And place some specified symbol on every customer entrance to the business, so that customers entering the business are aware that they are entering a business which, according to the business itself, is founded on discrimination. (My reasoning for the second requirement is so that the customers can chose whether to support this particular form of discrimination. My reasoning is that if some business, say, were to refuse to hire or serve Muslims, I could see myself using that business for years and never even knowing that I was promoting discrimination. A symbol near the door eliminates the "I didn't know" factor.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorshockalu Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Discrimination Tax!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 we did a fun bit on this when it surfaced last year on my below mentioned podcast.If you ain't listenin' you're missing some fun ~Bang This was the first thing I thought about when I saw the title. What a bunch of hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 the point isn't softball, though. the point is to socialize. You think adult kickball is about competing in kickball, or a fun and active way to meet people of the opposite sex? I view this in the same way (well, not opposite sex in this example) as it is supposed to be a way for men who like men to meet other men who like men in a fun and active environment. Are you overlooking the ones excluded are BI? They like other men...and women and probably livestock,but we won't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardi gras skin Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 ...unless they just sucked too much to make the team. Pretty sure that wasn't the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Are you overlooking the ones excluded are BI? I hadn't seen that (didn't exactly read the article). If that is the case, then it is poor form to keep them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Burgold, I want you to know that I appreciate what you're trying to do in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Are you overlooking the ones excluded are BI?They like other men...and women and probably livestock,but we won't go there. wouldnt they be "TRI" then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 wouldnt they be "TRI" then? Not unless they were into Hermaphradites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Sadly, most who supposedly "fight for equality", only really mean some more "equal" than others. Sadly, many otherwise intelligent people believe this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Sadly, many otherwise intelligent people believe this. So, you think they actually believe it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 So much for gays preaching equality.. Guess its a saying if it favors them? Let me see if I get this right. A lot of homosexuals "preach equality." A handful of homosexuals want to discriminate against heterosexuals. Therefore, homosexuals who "preach equality" are full of ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Some more items from the original article: The team in question, in addition to the three plaintiffs, also has the league-allowed two players who claim to be straight. The league, in the past, has counted bi people as gays. The three plaintiffs are being represented by the National Center for Lesbian Rights in San Francisco. Supposedly, when the players were challenged on their gayness, one of the players admitted to being married to a woman, and another said that he was bi, but admitted that he was more attracted to women than to men. (I'm wondering: In order to win their lawsuit, are the plaintiffs going to have to prove, in court, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they're gay?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (I'm wondering: In order to win their lawsuit, are the plaintiffs going to have to prove, in court, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they're gay?) That's a good question, Larry. This entire think reminds me of some blacks telling other blacks that they're not "black" enough. Who exactly sets the standard for what is "black" or "gay?" Maybe the plaintiffs are taking this too far, but I think they're raising a legitimate concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Red headed black guys are not black enough, duh. I thought everyone knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Would it be discriminatory for a fundamentalist Christian softball league to say only straights can play? Before you answer, religious organizations have the right to discriminate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I wonder if tops are better softball players than bottoms? anybody know? I take it by the objection that Bi's are not gay...just horny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickalino Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I take it by the objection that Bi's are not gay...just horny? Don't know why a gay league would reject Bi players. One would think that Bi players would be great at turning Double Plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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