kingdaddy Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Rice would be our Brandon Marshall/Andre Johnson in the Shanahan offense. I like this move a lot. Then sign the rehabilitated Plaxico Burres on the other side and you've got two tall receivers to go with Armstrong, Cooley, Davis. Even McNabb could probably make that work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I recall a couple of years ago Mayock came up with a DE player that wasn't per se the obvious top of the heap guy and he started touting like mad and that was Robert Ayers. thus far, his hype seems unwarranted. I like Mayock but for whatever reason the Ayers thing has stuck with me since he was likewise a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Fried Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4188/player?r=1 Just the rumor mill in TK's actual football news / Woodley franchise tag thread. It does make sense for us to go after Rice though, a young (25 in August) proven 6-4 WR that can be had for no picks only $$$+years is exactly what we need. With Moss heading out and all the holes we have on defense after switching to the 3-4 and so much defensive talent in the draft, Rice / Armstrong / Jacoby or James Jones / Banks / Kelly would be a very young talented WR squad and allow us to really help our D with that 1st round pick at either OLB/DE. Again I like Julio as much as anyone and know he will be a star, but this just makes too much sense. Very nice. That would be a huge pick up. I'd also love to go after James Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavarleap56 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Mayock is right about Watt. I'm going to take a moment to toot my own horn and point out that I've been talking Watt up for the past few weeks. I've got him ranked 9th on the big board I made last week. I was right there with you. Weeks ago in the draft thread I had Quinn,Miller,Dareus,Watt as possible targets. Good call Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I'm down with him. We need OLB and DE help and I'll be fine with either in the first. I think Mayock is spot on with his rankings of the 3-4 DEs in this draft and if Watt is there would take him unless Quinn or Miller are on the board for that OLB spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmonkforHOF Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I trust Mayock WAY MORE than any other draft "expert". I second that, and now this kid is on my draft watch board. Mayock does something different than most draft "experts", he actually sits down and watches the tape. It also helps that he has the ability to break them down as well, all of these other guys, at least the ones we see on TV, tend to trade notes with top scouts, and make assumptions based on other people's evaluations, but Mayock is a one man wrecking crew, breaking down the tape of as many prospects as he can, and he is honest, he will tell you if he watched a lot of tape, a little or none at all as the case may be with later round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsMaster88 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Still hesitant to spend a top 10 pick on a 3-4 DE. They usually aren't the game-changing players that 4-3 DEs are. They need to set the edge and control the gaps, but a lot of plays in a 3-4 come from the LB corps, which we do need to address with someone better to complement Orakpo and get a better suited ILB. Mind you, we do need a 3-4 DE starter as well, but it's about value too. In the end, I hope we can find a trade partner to pick up more picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papaSkins27 Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I was right there with you. Weeks ago in the draft thread I had Quinn,Miller,Dareus,Watt as possible targets. Good call Steve. I love that list. I would pass out if Dareus dropped all the way to #11, it would be just like when Orakpo fell in our laps. ---------- Post added February-8th-2011 at 12:22 PM ---------- Still hesitant to spend a top 10 pick on a 3-4 DE. They usually aren't the game-changing players that 4-3 DEs are. They need to set the edge and control the gaps, but a lot of plays in a 3-4 come from the LB corps, which we do need to address with someone better to complement Orakpo and get a better suited ILB. Mind you, we do need a 3-4 DE starter as well, but it's about value too. In the end, I hope we can find a trade partner to pick up more picks. Tell that to Pittsburgh or NE, quality 3-4 DL are what will make or break your run defense, something we sucked at last year. LB's your right will make all the stats/highlights/plays but the dirty work is done in the trenches. Dareus or Watt would be worth every penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 3-4 defensive linemen also pass rush when opponents pass the ball. That's something the people who say they aren't playmakers tend to forget for some reason. Evidently they think, on passing downs, the 3-4 DE just sits still in his gap and watches everyone else playing around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holmester Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I love that list. I would pass out if Dareus dropped all the way to #11, it would be just like when Orakpo fell in our laps. Yea, that would be awesome. Wait.... what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Yea, that would be awesome. Wait.... what? Yeah I know getting the 10th and 11th pick? Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Tell that to Pittsburgh or NE, quality 3-4 DL are what will make or break your run defense, something we sucked at last year. LB's your right will make all the stats/highlights/plays but the dirty work is done in the trenches. However, from 2001-2010 both NE and Pittsburgh lines were mostly made up of street guys and low picks in many years when they had some good defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 However, from 2001-2010 both NE and Pittsburgh lines were mostly made up of street guys and low picks in many years when they had some good defenses. Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Casey Hampton, and Ziggy Hood were all first round picks. That pretty much discredits the "mostly made up of" part of your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
styx491 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 If Bryant works out the way everyone is hoping he does at NT, this pick would be amazing. We would have a staunch D-line for years, which will set our 3-4 in stone. Hopefully Shanny can get his zone offensive linemen in the later rounds, and setting up our D-line for good would be awesome. Having the guys who are legit gap crushers be play makers on the line would be ideal (I'm assuming that Carriker is a lot better/more comfortable next year too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 If Bryant works out the way everyone is hoping he does at NT, this pick would be amazing. We would have a staunch D-line for years, which will set our 3-4 in stone. Hopefully Shanny can get his zone offensive linemen in the later rounds, and setting up our D-line for good would be awesome. Having the guys who are legit gap crushers be play makers on the line would be ideal (I'm assuming that Carriker is a lot better/more comfortable next year too). He was coming on the last three or so games. It would be nice to have a solid D line again, with linebackers who know how to make plays. Let's get this CBA done so we can go ahead and knock out some free agents and the draft, and become contenders again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tris Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 In fact, Belichick's first 1st round pick with the Pats was Seymour in 2001 at 6. After taking a TE in 2002, he then completed the 34 rebuild by taking another DE at 13 (Warren) in 2003 and a NT (Wilfork) at 21 in 2004. So yeah, that post couldn't have been more wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Casey Hampton, and Ziggy Hood were all first round picks. That pretty much discredits the "mostly made up of" part of your statement. No, the few exceptions you list most definitely do NOT Since I did not say all just many: NE (as stated, these guys made up the best defenses 2001-2010) Bobby Hamilton, never drafted Ted Washington, former first rounder but was a street pick up Jarvis Green, 4th rounder Anthony Pleasant, FA Rick Lyle, FA LeKevin Smith, 6th rounder Mike Wright, UDFA Rashad Moore, FA Santonio Thomas, UDFA Derrick Burgess, mid-rounder by Eagles Terdell Sands, late pick by KC Rob Ninkovich (now an OLB), late pick by NO Myron Pryor, late pick by NE Titus Adams, street pick up Eric Moore, late pick by NY Pittsburgh (as stated, these made up the best defenses 2001-2010): Smith, 4th round by Pittsburgh Kimo von Oelhoffen, street FA Brett Kiesal, 7th rounder Travis Kirschke, FA who had not been drafted Orpheus Roye, street FA Nick Eason FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Pittsburgh (as stated, these made up the best defenses 2001-2010): Smith, 4th round by Pittsburgh Kimo von Oelhoffen, street FA Brett Kiesal, 7th rounder Travis Kirschke, FA who had not been drafted Orpheus Roye, street FA Nick Eason FA Don't forget James Harrison (UDFA, cut 3 times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 3-4 defensive linemen also pass rush when opponents pass the ball. That's something the people who say they aren't playmakers tend to forget for some reason. Evidently they think, on passing downs, the 3-4 DE just sits still in his gap and watches everyone else playing around him. Cullen Jenkins is a good response to people who say 3-4 ends aren't play makers. Really it's about getting the BPA that also addresses a need. Of the players likely to be there at 10, Dareus, Jordan, or Watt very well could be the BPA and they would fill a need. Sure you can find good 3-4 DEs off the street, maybe, but eventhough the Pats and Steelers did have some UDFAs and FAs on their lines, they still invested high picks in DL as well when the BPA was at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tater Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Don't forget James Harrison (UDFA, cut 3 times) Doesn't play d-line which is what we were discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Don't forget James Harrison (UDFA, cut 3 times) Harrison is a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Doesn't play d-line which is what we were discussing. Harrison is a LB. Gotcha. My bad. I didn't follow the thread back far enough to realize that. Ignore what I said then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 3-4 defensive linemen also pass rush when opponents pass the ball. That's something the people who say they aren't playmakers tend to forget for some reason. Evidently they think, on passing downs, the 3-4 DE just sits still in his gap and watches everyone else playing around him. Such a dumb post. Nobody thinks that 3-4 DE's never rush the passer. Get out of here with that nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floodzone004 Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Such a dumb post. Nobody thinks that 3-4 DE's never rush the passer. Get out of here with that nonsense. Hahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Such a dumb post. Nobody thinks that 3-4 DE's never rush the passer. Get out of here with that nonsense. It seems that some do, or that they are at least perceived that way by some, because you see many people referring to DE's in a 3-4 as not being as big of "playmakers" as OLBers. Or not being as "high impact" a position. How else can you explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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