Bang Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I dont get how 8 straight weeks people were saying Zorn should go now after 2 solid weeks he should stay whats the standard around here like these days. The standard is as it should always be when looking at a football team. It's fluid. It changes based on how the team performs. 8 weeks ago they were not even close to the team we see now. 8 weeks ago we lose to the Raiders. It very well COULD be that Zorn bit off more than he could chew with playcalling QB coaching, and head coaching. It would be not the first time you've seen head coaches become successful by not doing what got them the job in the first place. Head coach is an entirely different job than offensive coordinator, QB coach, playcalling, etc. etc. Football is a game of specialists, on the field and on the sidelines. It COULD be that we have hit upon the proper combination of talents behind the players. It's convoluted and needs to be streamlined, but that's offseason work. Id say that the playcalling has gotten better, the execution has gotten better, and even as bad as it's been the players never looked to me like they were giving up or dogging it (Most of them, anyway.) That DOES reflect on the head coach, and in this case, it currently reflects positively. He's not just doing nothing, and considering that he was also learning on the job, some patience may be prudent. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 yeah, those 4 TDs against dallas with the playoffs on the line in december was so sub par. Brunell was crummy against Dallas, except in the red zone when our defense handed him short-field advantages. I suppose you have forgotten the sacks and takeaways in that game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 so the oline that finished the season in 07 was better than the oline zorn got to start 08? the 08 oline didnt really lose steam until samuels went down in the ravens game. it was doing fine until then, and campbell had started faltering long before that, which is why the whole myth of "its always the oline" is nonsense.but i keep forgetting im talking to a guy that thinks the water boy is more important than the QB position. The Steelers didn't rape us because our O-Line was banged up and injured. They did so because they had a dominant defense, were at home, and well; they do that to opposing offenses. Our offensive line was never a top pass blocking unit to begin with. The next week against the Cowboys the pass protection was fine. DeMarcus Ware made a couple plays, but we picked up plenty of Dallas blitzes and Campbell had a decent pocket to work with against a good pass rush. (#1 in sacks in 2008) Suisham just shanked a field goal and the Cowboys had that 7 minute drive in the 4th that rolled right over our defense. The line completely collapsed somewhere during the last 4 or 5 games when Samuels went down and when Randy/Pete continued to ware down. I don't understand the 6-2 number now that's almost 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Brunell was crummy against Dallas, except in the red zone when our defense handed him short-field advantages. I suppose you have forgotten the sacks and takeaways in that game? so a 4 TD performance is crummy? just stop dude. his drives in that game on his TDs were: 21 yards: TD pass 75 yards: TD pass 34 yards: TD pass 38 yards: TD pass he started one drive close to the redzone. youre either having memory issues or youre just refusing to give credit where its due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 The Steelers didn't rape us because our O-Line was banged up and injured. They did so because they had a dominant defense, were at home, and well; they do that to opposing offenses. Our offensive line was never a top pass blocking unit to begin with. The next week against the Cowboys the pass protection was fine. DeMarcus Ware made a couple plays, but we picked up plenty of Dallas blitzes and Campbell had a decent pocket to work with against a good pass rush. (#1 in sacks in 2008) Suisham just shanked a field goal and the Cowboys had that 7 minute drive in the 4th that rolled right over our defense. The line completely collapsed somewhere during the last 4 or 5 games when Samuels went down and when Randy/Pete continued to ware down. I don't understand the 6-2 number now that's almost 2010. the oline was fine til the ravens game, then it went to bed. portis GASHED the seahawks for 140+ yards when our oline was somehow injured. how does a runningback put up 140 yards with an oline that is supposedly decimated by injuries and horrible to begin with? the 6-2 myth was really 4-0. the team looked like crap against the giants, we looked like crap against the rams, we looked like crap against the browns and eeked out a win, and we looked decent against the lions and were saved by a ST touchdown. 4-0 was awesome, but weve never even come close to matching that level of play. i cant believe people are still hanging on to thing that happened last october in a bad season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[[ghost]] Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Continuity. All of us talk about it, few of us know what it is. Keep this project together. It's starting to pay off. Football is a game of specialists, on the field and on the sidelines. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman69 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I am all for them hanging around another year. I would hate to throw a new coaching staff and possible system at the team again. It would be nice to have some consistancy that lasts longer than 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDstar08 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 ];7109095']Continuity. All of us talk about it' date=' few of us know what it is.Keep this project together. It's starting to pay off. I couldn't agree more.[/quote'] Exactly, we need continuity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 spags has been awful, if you dont think theyll look at getting rid of him, think again.schwartz will get another year, just like zorn did. also remember, zorn was handed a 9-7 team coming off a playoff berth. these other two guys were handed the worst team in NFL history, and one of the worst teams in the league. they get cut a little more slack than zorn. 6-14 over his last 20 games, but lets keep him because we beat the raiders. I think you're fooling yourself if you think last year's team had playoff talent. They were old and over the hill. When we started playing the players brought in under Jim Zorn, we've seen a world of difference, much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 so a 4 TD performance is crummy? You twisted my words. As your stats show, Brunell's offense managed one long drive in a 35-point effort. As I said, he was crummy except in the red zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 An evaluation process needs to take place, is the offense now starting to click because Zorns offense is finally sinking in with JC, or is it because of the playcalling by sherm? Albeit Sherm is making the calls, the offensive itself is still Zorns. I think we will still see Shanahan next season, to much damage has been done between Snyder and Zorn at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailskins11 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 ];7109095']Continuity. All of us talk about it' date=' few of us know what it is.Keep this project together. It's starting to pay off. I couldn't agree more.[/quote'] +1 I still think Zorn could go. Both Sherm's on offense, Jerry Gray as HC. Thats whats going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 so the oline that finished the season in 07 was better than the oline zorn got to start 08? You're either a terrible reader or you love to twist words. Either way, I don't have the patience for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooka Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 You twisted my words. As your stats show, Brunell's offense managed one long drive in a 35-point effort. As I said, he was crummy except in the red zone. He only threw the ball 20 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 He only threw the ball 20 times. What does that prove or disprove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 You're either a terrible reader or you love to twist words. Either way, I don't have the patience for this. that makes two of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 He only threw the ball 20 times. talking about QBs with oldfan is a massive waste of time as he gives them no credit and believes they are of little importance and only function regarding everything around them. somehow brunell throwing 4 TDs wasnt impressive because he was given short fields to work with. hes just not going to concede because it takes away from his weak statement that brunell only played well early on, which clearly wasnt the case. his giants game in december was impressive as well (before he got injured), but im sure oldfan forgot about that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passizle Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 the oline was fine til the ravens game, then it went to bed. portis GASHED the seahawks for 140+ yards when our oline was somehow injured. how does a runningback put up 140 yards with an oline that is supposedly decimated by injuries and horrible to begin with?the 6-2 myth was really 4-0. the team looked like crap against the giants, we looked like crap against the rams, we looked like crap against the browns and eeked out a win, and we looked decent against the lions and were saved by a ST touchdown. 4-0 was awesome, but weve never even come close to matching that level of play. i cant believe people are still hanging on to thing that happened last october in a bad season. Why not... you still hold on to Moss' one good season (in 2005) to call him a WR stud held back by a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Why not... you still hold on to Moss' one good season (in 2005) to call him a WR stud held back by a QB. i only use that when people are calling him a bad NFL receiver, which he isnt. and hes not a stud, hes pretty much a one trick pony (and hes awesome at that one trick) we just dont have a QB that can do that one trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passizle Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 i only use that when people are calling him a bad NFL receiver, which he isnt. and hes not a stud, hes pretty much a one trick pony (and hes awesome at that one trick) we just dont have a QB that can do that one trick. Thats what called a backpeddle if I ever saw one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Lloyd Christmas Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Thats what called a backpeddle if I ever saw one... how is that backpedaling? moss is a good receiver held back by a bad QB. i dont need to reference his one amazing season to know that. anyone watching games knows he gets open deep only to have the ball sail over his head. of course im sure you think thats not campbells fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haithman Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I get a chuckle everytime I read ES, or maybe its a roaring laugh. Regardless, I can't believe some of the things I am reading on this board today. It's as if we've been destroying quality teams and Zorn is the new Messiah with Campbell spreading his word. Am I happy we won? Of course, but I am not disillusioned to believe that everything that was so horribly wrong with this season is and will be fixed with another re-incarnation of Zorn. It's as if some of us completely blocked out how absolutel horrendous this team has been this year (not that I would blame you). But be honest, we beat the Oakland Raiders, we are 4-9, this team has looked absolutely comical this season and our HC has been hamstrung and sits on the sidelines twiddling his thumbs and some of you STILL believe he will be back. Let's hope things get better, but lets also not get carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Keep this team together Dan! When you put together an overmatched 4-9 squad...you have to keep it togehter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 In a word, no. Once he was stripped of his duties and became caretaker, the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passizle Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 how is that backpedaling? moss is a good receiver held back by a bad QB. i dont need to reference his one amazing season to know that. anyone watching games knows he gets open deep only to have the ball sail over his head.of course im sure you think thats not campbells fault. No. I think Moss is an over-rated receiver who has done nothing in his career sans a god 2005. He has had many different QB's throwing to him in his career and has not broken the 1000's but thrice. And in those 3 times (2 times by a hair), one QB happened to be JC. So... how is it that JC is holding him back from being better? PS... how many drops did Moss have yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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