No Excuses Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 A lot of interesting excerpts from Tim Donoghy's book "Blowing the Whistle". Everything in this book could be a lie but some of this stuff just makes too much sense with the trends seen on the court these days. http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read Studying under Dick Bavetta for 13 years was like pursuing a graduate degree in advanced game manipulation. He knew how to marshal the tempo and tone of a game better than any referee in the league, by far. He also knew how to take subtle-and not so subtle-cues from the NBA front office and extend a playoff series or, worse yet, change the complexion of that series. The 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Los Angeles Lakers and the Sacramento Kings presents a stunning example of game and series manipulation at its ugliest. As the teams prepared for Game 6 at the Staples Center, Sacramento had a 3–2 lead in the series. The referees assigned to work Game 6 were Dick Bavetta, Bob Delaney, and Ted Bernhardt. As soon as the referees for the game were chosen, the rest of us knew immediately that there would be a Game 7. A prolonged series was good for the league, good for the networks, and good for the game. Oh, and one more thing: it was great for the big-market, star-studded Los Angeles Lakers. In the pregame meeting prior to Game 6, the league office sent down word that certain calls-calls that would have benefitted the Lakers — were being missed by the referees. This was the type of not-so-subtle information that I and other referees were left to interpret. After receiving the dispatch, Bavetta openly talked about the fact that the league wanted a Game 7. "If we give the benefit of the calls to the team that's down in the series, nobody's going to complain. The series will be even at three apiece, and then the better team can win Game 7," Bavetta stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Donaghy's just trying to make money. Maybe he's right, but he has NO credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Donaghy's just trying to make money.Maybe he's right, but he has NO credibility. I agree, he could be telling the truth, but who knows with him at this point. Then again, we all thought the same about Canseco too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Donaghy's just trying to make money.Maybe he's right, but he has NO credibility. You could say the same about Jose Canseco. What difference does credibility make if the information is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I have NO PROBLEM at all believing this. I'd venture to say that it happens in the MLB & certainly the NFL too. Given the monies that are wagered on professional sports "fixing things" seem quite in line with what I've witnessed over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I don't know about a lot of those examples but it sure happened to the Kings in 2002. They got straight up robbed because they were too good for Kobe and Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I don't know about a lot of those examples but it sure happened to the Kings in 2002. They got straight up robbed because they were too good for Kobe and Shaq.Except Donaghy DID that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 In the pregame meeting prior to Game 6, the league office sent down word that certain calls-calls that would have benefitted the Lakers — were being missed by the referees. I remember Mike Bibby getting leveled from a vicious elbow to the face from Kobe Bryant and surprise surprise, no whistle. It was an incredible non-call. I think that was either game 6 or 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailYeah Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Well, if only 10% of this stuff is true, its pretty damning. The NBA is basically a circus show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone_dubbz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I knew Sac-town should have won that series. There is no way they give up a 3-2 lead. C-Webb was a monster that year, and Bibby was good. Heck in Vlade was more than serviceable. I wonder if the refs manipulated the Western Conference Finals between the blazers and lakers the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I wonder if the refs manipulated the 2006 NBA Finals. I have many questions about the officiating in the NBA. It's by far the worst of all North American sports. Every official is basically spoken of in a negative light. People like Bennett Salvatore and Joey Crawford (the guy who threw out Tim Duncan for laughing!) are simply horrible referees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidenreich Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I loved that 2002 Kings team. Everybody knew that night that they got robbed. That fourth quarter was the most ridiculous sporting event I ever watched. That being said, Donahey is picking the one game everybody instantly thinks of when theres any talk of fixing games. He needs to bust out other examples...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone_dubbz Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I wonder if the refs manipulated the 2006 NBA Finals. I have many questions about the officiating in the NBA. It's by far the worst of all North American sports. Every official is basically spoken of in a negative light. People like Bennett Salvatore and Joey Crawford (the guy who threw out Tim Duncan for laughing!) are simply horrible referees. Not sure about that one, D Wade was balling his ass off. But I wouldn't be surprised. Joe Crawford ref'd two games in the series, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to cover the spread :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Remember when Jose Canseco wrote a book and people said "no way!" and "he has no credibility"? How did that whole steroids thing he wrote about turn out? You see what people don't understand is upstanding citizens are never going to have that information. They won't be a part of it . Bad people that are still in good standing will never reveal it because they are mixed up in it and don't want to kill the goose laying those wonderful golden eggs. The only source you will ever get that blows something like this wide open is a person of low credibility. What makes this seem credible is that people have noticed sudden changes in calls during the NBA post season more than a few times. There isn't one fan in the NBA that won't admit that big names get the calls in the post season. Teams with larger markets and bigger names benefit as well. If a drunk homeless hooker crack addict tells you the sky is blue... it doesn't mean the sky isn't blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I remember Mike Bibby getting leveled from a vicious elbow to the face from Kobe Bryant and surprise surprise, no whistle. It was an incredible non-call. I think that was either game 6 or 7. you are wrong, sir. It wasn't a "no-call". Mike Bibby got whistled for the foul of impeding Kobe's elbow with his nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojobo Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Just in case people want some more evidence... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kwhi1twVO0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Remember when Jose Canseco wrote a book and people said "no way!" and "he has no credibility"? How did that whole steroids thing he wrote about turn out? Exactly. People trashed Canseco at first too but now he may be the most legitimate source of baseball steroid users. :hysterical: I doubt any of this is true but it wouldn't surprise me. And if it is true(even some of it)it will cause chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 I loved that 2002 Kings team. Everybody knew that night that they got robbed. That fourth quarter was the most ridiculous sporting event I ever watched. That being said, Donahey is picking the one game everybody instantly thinks of when theres any talk of fixing games. He needs to bust out other examples...... Read the entire article. Many more examples given, most notably the Suns-Spurs series from a few years back where the Suns were ROBBED once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I remember that series. Horry did something at the end of the game and then the officials ruled towards the Spurs, and Amare was ejected. Comical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Read the entire article. Many more examples given, most notably the Suns-Spurs series from a few years back where the Suns were ROBBED once again. Yeah that was a complete robbery. That closed the Suns window too. Shame really. I thought they were the best team in the league. If the government holds Senate hearings about 'roids, they should definitely hold hearings on this. I won't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 you are wrong, sir. It wasn't a "no-call". Mike Bibby got whistled for the foul of impeding Kobe's elbow with his nose. LMAO I think you're right. Shaq was allowed to pretty much mow down anyone in his path in that series too. If anyone dared to play defense against him the whistles came out in a nanosecond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afkidd Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 i thought everyone knew that the nba was more about entertain and money then the other sports? Even college basketball the same...pretty sure Duke gets more then just the benefit of the doubt because they are a high profile ball club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArwbWD6sj3GVdFzcEi3pa3Q5nYcB?slug=dw-donaghybook102909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Ask around the NBA this week and you won’t find too many people outside the league office dismissing Donaghy’s claims.“I read it last night and was laughing, and said, ‘Yep, that’s about right,” one team executive said. “I don’t think anyone is going to dispute the possibility.” If the NBA’s own front-office people believe this, then how can fans simply dismiss it? Consider Rasheed Wallace(notes), who has recorded a record number of technical fouls during his career-long battles with refs. He earned many of them, but he also claimed the refs had it in for him. “Some of them cats are felonious, man,” ’Sheed famously declared, even before Donaghy became a felon. Was Wallace targeted? Well, here’s Donaghy, according to Deadspin’s excerpt: “To have a little fun at the expense of the worst troublemakers, the referees working the game would sometimes make a modest friendly wager amongst themselves: first ref to give one of the bad boys a technical foul wouldn’t have to tip the ball boy that night. “After the opening tip, it was hilarious as the three of us immediately focused our full attention on the intended victim, waiting for something, anything, to justify a technical foul. If the guy so much as looked at one of us and mumbled, we rang him up. Later in the referees’ locker room, we would down a couple of brews, eat some chicken wings, and laugh like hell.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 How long do you think stuff like this may have been going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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