renaissance Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Everyone comes to the board pretty much with set opinions on any given issue. Either that, or they don't give a **** about certain issues and just avoid them and/or make jokes about them. With all the headbutting that goes on around here, I wonder if anyone has ever genuinely changed their opinion on an issue because of what someone else said on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 nope and I doubt they will. But it is a way for people to express their opinoins without violence...:saber: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Sometimes Tailgate conversations have made me question or soften my own views on a subject. Gun control, immigration and education issues jump to mind. Of course, in other areas, Tailgate conversations have only made me more dogmatic - as people have exposed their ignorance in opposing my brilliant views. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullnelson9999 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I used to be kinda excited to see Colt Brennan play, but after all the love hes been getting on the site and how people obsess over him, i wish he would just go away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGI Jef Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 in the stadium, yes. there are some very informed/knolwedgable football types on ES. i just stay away during the offseason - nothing good comes out of entering the stadium in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNut73 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Believe it or not, yes. Several years back we debated the Terry Schiavo case and some ES'ers (Predicto and a few others who slip my mind now) did help change my view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Actually,yes. Not all the time,but there have been times when my opinion on one thing or another has changed due to more information about whatever subject I had an opinion on. I have noticed over the years though,that there seems to be less and less tolerance of any opinion other than our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 yes! i used to think extremeskins posters were an intelligent and respectful lot. i kid, i kid .... i never thought that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Sometimes Tailgate conversations have made me question or soften my own views on a subject. in the stadium, yes. there are some very informed/knolwedgable football types on ES. Believe it or not, yes. ...there have been times when my opinion on one thing or another has changed due to more information about whatever subject I had an opinion on. I agree with the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I dunno. I think my opinions have changed over the last few years. (Although the only one I can think of right now is that I do think I could go along with some restrictions on late term abortions.) And ES has really been my primary source of information and discussion for years. I can't point at one particulat thing and say "There, right there. That's the post that changed my mind." But if my mind has changed, and ES is by far my primary venue . . . . ---------- I will say that I've learned a lot, about a lot of subjects. (IMO, the number of subjects where we have at least one ES poster who's very knowledgeable is really amazing.) You may have to wade through a mountain of :pooh: to find it . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I've don't think I've had my opinion completely changed but I've come to understand opposing viewpoints better than before. This has happened in both Redskins-related discussions and fire & brimstone Tailgate discussions BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 yes! i used to think extremeskins posters were an intelligent and respectful lot. i kid, i kid .... i never thought that. Let's say that out all the people in "ES land", there are a few hundred who are regularly seen in the two biggest suburbs of Stadium and Tailgate, with varying commuting habits (from never-to-often) between the two suburbs. Now let's say that you randomly selected a few hundred folk from your current geographical community. Ponder how many might fall into the various categories of how you might view humans. How many (or what percentage) would you think are probably "fine people" from what you can tell (usually the less you know the better ) How many would seem "stupid" to you after enough exposure? How many would you call "really bright, well-informed, well-adjusted people?" How familiar are you with actual statistics/demographics for the national population or your regional population on things like IQ, criminal record, voting patterns, educational levels acheived, etc.? They're likely about the same with the added negative-weighting all interent habituating organisms must be awarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Sure, sometimes there was an array of information that I didn't know or a perspective that I hadn't considered which made a profound difference. I've also been told sometimes confidentially and other times on the open board that I have changed others' minds. Most of the time though, it is rather like being Gus and seeing a good solid wall. You just get the hankering to head butt the damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I don't think I've ever done a complete 180 on something... at least something important. But I do understand much better opposing viewpoints, and where they come from. So I guess 'softening' might be a good word to use. I also think I'm better able to sniff out BS and Bias than I was before. Much to the chagrin of my father, who wonders why I have to argue with him on everything nowadays, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 ok, for serious answer now- Not totally changed my mind, but maybe help see ones point of view on something (if its posted well). There is sort of a social education that can go on around here-meeting so many people from so many walks of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Yes, lots of stuff. Its not often i do a 180, but that has happened. Most of the time my opinions evolve as i get more info and different points of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RammsteinSkins Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Yes, mainstream music. I listened to mainstream rap and these guys really helped me find good music, especially BigMike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I think it has also helped to fortify and strengthen certain positions because I just never realized quite how stupid and malignant the other side often is. So, sometimes it has changed my opinions by making them more unyielding and less flexible than they once were. (For example, the downloading/copyright thread of this weekend) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaxBuddy21 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Yes, lots of stuff. Its not often i do a 180, but that has happened. Most of the time my opinions evolve as i get more info and different points of view. Bingo! I love discussing issues. The more controversial the better. Its an exercise for your mind and hopefully at the end, everyone has learned something whether opinions have been changed or not. I take in every bit of information and my opinions have flip flopped as I read a thread quite often. There are some really intelligent people on here with a lot of knowledge that we can all learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Definitely, in fact ES tailgate is where I finally "saw the light" regarding the GOP's path to disaster and the fact that they really are the same as the dems in terms of net results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 yes, I went from a Hannity/Limbaugh Koolaid drinking liberal hating ninny to a more open-minded libertarian type conservative. I actually atributed this message board to my change in world-view in an English essay this year. I helped challenge the assumption that people never alter their worldview past age 16. specifically, homosexuality is a huge 180 issue for me. I used to hate homosexuals and refused to even acknowledge that they didn't choose their identity. Discussion in the tailgate eventually led me to recognize that most likely it is genetic and therefore can't be helped. I currently support civil unions, and its all thanks to a little debating here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 yes, I went from a Hannity/Limbaugh Koolaid drinking liberal hating ninny to a more open-minded libertarian type conservative. I actually atributed this message board to my change in world-view in an English essay this year. I helped challenge the assumption that people never alter their worldview past age 16.specifically, homosexuality is a huge 180 issue for me. I used to hate homosexuals and refused to even acknowledge that they didn't choose their identity. Discussion in the tailgate eventually led me to recognize that most likely it is genetic and therefore can't be helped. I currently support civil unions, and its all thanks to a little debating here That's pretty cool. Those are some big cultural hurdles you cleared or are attempting too Now, if we can just get you to hate Hannity/Limbaugh Seriously though, anytime hate in the world is lessened it's a day to celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monte51Coleman Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I never used to think that smokers were dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I think it has also helped to fortify and strengthen certain positions because I just never realized quite how stupid and malignant the other side often is. Yeah, yeah, speak for yaself! Interestingly, while there is a lot of crap to wade through, there are some opinions of the "other side" that I really value and definitely take into consideration when I think about certain issues. Predicto and Burgold are certainly good examples of people that are definitely "left" of me on political issues, but I look forward to their perspectives on issues because they are well-thought out and rational...usually j/k. Bang's another one who's posts I appreciate. Lots of other posters on here too, just forget their names right now, sorry. I don't think my opinion really ever changes, but I think I take a softer stance on a lot of issues after listening to other experiences and perspectives on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbleedBnG83 Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I haven't been on ES long, but I have learned a lot about football and other global/life issues (political and pleasure) that has broadened my view points. ES has been a learning experience. Stadium: 1. I have learned to temper my expectations 2. I have learned to not take others too seriously, or myself for that matter 3. I have learned that I am a homer to some degree...and thats OK. 4. I have learned that most fans are just as bad as Dan Snyder when it comes to the FA. Tailgate: I can only say that I understand other peoples viewpoints more. I haven't really changed my stance, but I am more open to listen to others and accept their ideas and thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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