I'm a white West Virginia Republican, and I fail.

[skinsfan328]

Just wait,think ****s bad now?Vote Obama and see how bad it will get!!!

[DirtyBird]

The second amendment is secure. It ensures itself of that.

[SkinsHokieFan]

BTW, I don't think Joe Biden would let Obama touch the 2nd Amendment.

Why would you think that? Biden wrote the AWB and has an awful record on t he 2nd amendment

As to Hog's post, clearly it comes from some serious introspection, and good for you, its never easy to go "against the team" even if it is the best thing to do for the big picture

[zoony]

Just wait,think ****s bad now?Vote Obama and see how bad it will get!!!

Your sig is way oversized. Please refer to the forum rules regarding signature size limits and fix it asap- before it dissapears for good.

Thanks

[DCSaints_fan]

McCain wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't kowtowed to Republican base with Palin/obscene tax cuts, etc., but he sold out in an attempt to win the election.

[E-Dog Night]

The second amendment is secure. It ensures itself of that.

That much is for certain. I always roll my eyes a little when I hear someone say that liberals are out to repeal the 2nd amendment. Just simply untrue, not even close to being true. Liberals are normally in favor of some type of gun control, typically in the form of restricting the availability of assault rifles, or making it more difficult to get guns in general.

I've never heard a single front-line democrat call for a straight-up repealing of the 2nd amendment. Political suicide - even if the theoretical democratic politician wanted to do it in his heart, and I'm pretty certain that very few actually do want that.

Firing guns is enjoyable. I'm a liberal in favor of gun control, but I like to unload some shotgun rounds at the range every so often. I'd have issues with any politician who aimed to take that right away from me. But it just seems like sensible policy to do whatever we can to keep nut jobs from getting their hands on guns, and to keep AK-47's and Tec 9's off the street.

Law abiding citizens, please, buy a rifle and bag some deer. Purchase a 9mm to protect your family, and handle it responsibly.

That's what most of us liberals want, despite what the lobbying arm of the NRA and right wing talk radio wants you to believe. Doesn't the kind of firearm policy I've described make sense?

[DjTj]

The second amendment is secure. It ensures itself of that.

Especially with this Supreme Court. All of the Justices in the majority in Heller are going to be on the bench for a long time. If anything the Second Amendment should become stronger over the next decade regardless of who is President. Abortion rights will also weaken. Those battles have already been won during the twenty years of Republican Presidents over the last thirty years.

'hog, I'm glad to see that this message board has now fully indoctrinated you to our socialist values.

Seriously though, you have shown time and again that you have an open mind when it comes to politics or any other issue, and this thread is only more evidence of that. You've still got a few weeks to change your mind, but Obama is running ads in West Virginia now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he paid your state a visit. He will be working for your vote.

...and although this is a little bit of an attention whore thread, I like that it puts out in the open what people like Bang or Major or Jumbo have been thinking ...now let's start working on Henry...

[Jumbo]

Especially with this Supreme Court. All of the Justices in the majority in Heller are going to be on the bench for a long time. If anything the Second Amendment should become stronger over the next decade regardless of who is President. Abortion rights will also weaken. Those battles have already been won during the twenty years of Republican Presidents over the last thirty years.

'hog, I'm glad to see that this message board has now fully indoctrinated you to our socialist values.

Seriously though, you have shown time and again that you have an open mind when it comes to politics or any other issue, and this thread is only more evidence of that. You've still got a few weeks to change your mind, but Obama is running ads in West Virginia now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he paid your state a visit. He will be working for your vote.

...and although this is a little bit of an attention whore thread, I like that it puts out in the open what people like Bang or Major or Jumbo have been thinking ...now let's start working on Henry...

Actually, that's stuff I've said a few times over the last couple weeks in a couple of threads. But I had declared my intention to vote Mccain a few months ago.

I believe I have seen Henry say he was going through a similar process of having to struggle to hang onto his Mccain vote, though I don't know his specific reasons.

[Predicto]

I believe I have seen Henry say he was going through a similar process of having to struggle to hang onto his Mccain vote, though I don't know his specific reasons.

His reason is that he has an IQ above room temperature

ka-Zing! ooh yeahhhh

[Jumbo]

His reason is that he has an IQ above room temperature

ka-Zing! ooh yeahhhh

Then how do you explane my chains of hart? Mr. libtard suprem-o smart puss. Anser me that. :mad:

[E-Dog Night]

Well I thought this was interesting.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

As we write this post, John McCain is projected to win West Virginia by 0.1%. Where did that come from? We had heard Joe Scarborough tell us the night of the West Virginia primary that Barack Obama couldn't win states like this. So once we were in Marietta, right across the river, we had to find out....

We met Beri Fox, a small business owner from Paden City, West Virginia, who voted for Bush twice but is supporting Barack Obama this time. Fox, who owns a glass manufacturing company in her Ohio River town, told us that her industry had been decimated by overseas competition. "Do you know how many glass manufacturing companies there used to be? 250. Then it dropped to 100. Today," she paused, "there are seven." Fox is supporting Obama because the economic trickle down policies Republicans have promulgated for thirty years haven't worked.

West Virginia had voted for Dukakis and that was considered blue until Al Gore ignored the state. You have to show up here and meet the voters, Vogel [WV Obama state director] noted. "Just eight years ago we were a blue state that suddenly went red. Now we're a red state going blue."

[chaddukes]

We met Beri Fox, a small business owner from Paden City, West Virginia, who voted for Bush twice but is supporting Barack Obama this time. Fox, who owns a glass manufacturing company in her Ohio River town, told us that her industry had been decimated by overseas competition. "Do you know how many glass manufacturing companies there used to be? 250. Then it dropped to 100. Today," she paused, "there are seven." Fox is supporting Obama because the economic trickle down policies Republicans have promulgated for thirty years haven't worked.

Here's a message for Beri Fox. Stop working in an industry for which there is no market. The government isn't here to ensure your success. It's like me saying that I run a company that sets tiles in a printing press. "Do you know how many printing presses there used to be?"

[Teller]

'hog, I'm glad to see that this message board has now fully indoctrinated you to our socialist values.

Seriously though, you have shown time and again that you have an open mind when it comes to politics or any other issue, and this thread is only more evidence of that. You've still got a few weeks to change your mind, but Obama is running ads in West Virginia now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he paid your state a visit. He will be working for your vote.

...and although this is a little bit of an attention whore thread, I like that it puts out in the open what people like Bang or Major or Jumbo have been thinking ...now let's start working on Henry...

Obama is literally running about 2 ads per commercial break in my area right now. It's amazing. I've never seen anything like it. And if he visits WV, or somewhere within an hour or two of me in MD or VA, I'll definitely go hear what he has to say.

As for my 'indoctrination,' I will say this. I've been blessed to learn from the people on this board who disagree with me, but do so constructively. You're A#1 in the category, so thank you.

[Major Harris]

Obama is literally running about 2 ads per commercial break in my area right now. It's amazing. I've never seen anything like it. And if he visits WV, or somewhere within an hour or two of me in MD or VA, I'll definitely go hear what he has to say.

i see. you're just cya here. you said he did so poorly in the primaries because he made no attempt here. now that he's making the attempt, you have to vote for him, right?

[HogNose]

i dont even know what to say here. hope youre happy and feel good about your choice bro. i dont get it or agree with it but i support your choice as a bro.

Okay Bigmike...you're next. Just read and sign at the bottom. :deal:

Seriously though H_H, I have a friend at work who is a Republican, and is thinking along the same lines as you....I think many are.

My Father-in-Law, on the other hand, is so hardcore that if McCain had chosen Britney Spears he still would have supported the GOP ticket.:doh:

[Teller]

i see. you're just cya here. you said he did so poorly in the primaries because he made no attempt here. now that he's making the attempt, you have to vote for him, right?

Heh. Yeah, that's it.

I stand by what I said about the primary. And I stand by my statement that he needs to campaign here, and win here, in order to win the White House.

Like I said though, my change of heart has to do with only one thing -- my self-interest.

[twa]

Like I said though, my change of heart has to do with only one thing -- my self-interest.

Nothing wrong with voting to benefit yourself,I simply hope his supporters hold him to his promises if he is elected.

Talk is cheap,but paying for wish lists is another matter.

Most want government to do more,I lean to Primum Non Nocere

Whoever is elected I hope is a better leader than I fear.

[Teller]

Nothing wrong with voting to benefit yourself,I simply hope his supporters hold him to his promises if he is elected.

Talk is cheap,but paying for wish lists is another matter.

Most want government to do more,I lean to Primum Non Nocere

Whoever is elected I hope is a better leader than I fear.

I agree 100%.

[PortisFan123]

First let me say I am a libertarian and therefore a registered Independent.

The truth about Obama is that his platform is into "wealth redistribution" and a socialist approach to medical and economic reform. He using the "times" to play out that agenda.

For the first time in over 40 years, if Obama is elected we will have a majority democratic congress and senate, with the likes of Pelosi and Franks leading the charge. Raising taxes on businesses, imports and exports will be the final blow to this economy in my opinion. We pay a 35% tax on big business already while the likes of Ireland pay less then 17%. It is no wonder more businesses are relocating overseas.

Do you realize the intent of an Obama administration?

1) government control of the mortgage industry. I am in the mortgage business and let me tell you its failure had very little to do with the current administration..and more to do with a bottom up approach. Acorn decided that there was a failure to provide housing for lower to middle income families and communities. Congressional members under the guise of "parity" placed pressure on congress, who in turn put pressure on Fannie...not Freddie because Freddie is an A borrower, credit driven program/body. Needless to say Fannnie devised programs, insane programs I might add such as ( Stated W-2 income loans, which is ridiculous because your W-2 tells the story of your income folks. Bank statement programs where they would determine your gross income based upon your deposits over the past 3 months, which means every tom, dick or jane could give you money to bolster your bank account and boom you have fraud ). Also mortgage companies approved 60% debt to income ratios, based upon GROSS income. Most folks can barely get by when they tip out at over 40% DTI. All of these loans were done as adjustables based upon the LIBOR, which was a little known european type index that historically is as volatile as can be. Mortgage companies had little to NO knowledge of this index when they implemented it.

The programs all borrowers should have been placed on was the FHA loan. They could easily have been 100% loans due to down payment assistance. There is also first time homebuyer required credit counseling.

To me the analogy is more like a child who sees a big piece of pie and one piece won't do. Because they are not guided properly they consume 3 pieces when one would have done and they get sick. I know for fact many borrowers could not afford the homes they were purchasing but they wanted them. Many were one paycheck away from a mortgage crisis. This is not to say that mortgage companies, appraisers, and attorneys representing the lender were not complicit. But where do you start? The borrower? Nope they get a pass right? Fannie? They are a target now. Wall street greed? Sure. At any point they could have FROZEN interest rates to stop foreclosures but they chose not to and now they are out of business and broke. Acorn? Absolutely. Bottom up folks. Placing pressure on congress, and then privately owned companies, screaming discrimination, etc. has led to this crisis. The envy of the borrower. The fear of Fannie to not be lauded as discriminatory. Greed on wall street. Congressional storks...insert head in sand..all of this is where responsibility lies.

And it can be spun anyway you wish but this administration got caught in a cross fire of class and socioeconomic manipulation.

So go ahead and vote for Obama. He reminds me of a false guru, talking about change which is nothing more then typical democratic programs. The Democratic party is the potpourri of special interest groups, each vying for a piece of the pie. Each will wind up with a crumb.

Obama's associations are at best sketchy, and at worse down right frightening. There is no magic bullet to fix this economy at this time. The fundamentals of this economy will go down the tubes with higher taxes aimed at businesses that employ so many of us. Expect more movement overseas. Expect more contracting out to overseas workers. Expect more layoffs. Expect more terrorist activity. Expect higher food prices. Ultimately expect more market failure.

[Redskins Diehard]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111205/Recent-Obama-Surge-Evident-Among-Men-Less-Educated.aspx

[RememberOsaka]

Wow. With this shocking turn of events I expect McCain's concession speech is hastily being prepared.

[ldysknzfn1]

Wow. I've not felt comfortable w/Obama since day 1. But I've done a considerable amount of my own "research" on his positions and what he wants to accomplish and I've compared them as best as I can w/McCain as well as others who are running in this election. If I had to pick a candidate that was more in line w/my way of thinking it would be Obama, however he wants to "infuse" a great amount of dollars into programs(that could work ultimately)on an already bursting at the seams budget. He doesn't reveal where those dollars are going to come from.(Not in anything that I've been able to find anyway). I feel that his programs and plans for this country will work but not overnight and I think that if in 4 years things don't seem to be moving along as most people feel they should, he'll be voted out of office and we'll start over from scratch w/the next "candidate for change". Any American who thinks this country's current state is fixable in just 4 years is living in a fantasy world IMO.

The one thing that I liked most about him is the fact that he realizes his plans may take some time to work and he's careful to point that out. I'm still not completely on the Obama train...but I'm hanging off of one of the cars and trying to get my legs up over the side before I fall off. <ols>

[Toe Jam]

First let me say I am a libertarian and therefore a registered Independent.

The truth about Obama is that his platform is into "wealth redistribution" and a socialist approach to medical and economic reform. He using the "times" to play out that agenda.

For the first time in over 40 years, if Obama is elected we will have a majority democratic congress and senate, with the likes of Pelosi and Franks leading the charge. Raising taxes on businesses, imports and exports will be the final blow to this economy in my opinion. We pay a 35% tax on big business already while the likes of Ireland pay less then 17%. It is no wonder more businesses are relocating overseas.

Do you realize the intent of an Obama administration?

1) government control of the mortgage industry. I am in the mortgage business and let me tell you its failure had very little to do with the current administration..and more to do with a bottom up approach. Acorn decided that there was a failure to provide housing for lower to middle income families and communities. Congressional members under the guise of "parity" placed pressure on congress, who in turn put pressure on Fannie...not Freddie because Freddie is an A borrower, credit driven program/body. Needless to say Fannnie devised programs, insane programs I might add such as ( Stated W-2 income loans, which is ridiculous because your W-2 tells the story of your income folks. Bank statement programs where they would determine your gross income based upon your deposits over the past 3 months, which means every tom, dick or jane could give you money to bolster your bank account and boom you have fraud ). Also mortgage companies approved 60% debt to income ratios, based upon GROSS income. Most folks can barely get by when they tip out at over 40% DTI. All of these loans were done as adjustables based upon the LIBOR, which was a little known european type index that historically is as volatile as can be. Mortgage companies had little to NO knowledge of this index when they implemented it.

The programs all borrowers should have been placed on was the FHA loan. They could easily have been 100% loans due to down payment assistance. There is also first time homebuyer required credit counseling.

To me the analogy is more like a child who sees a big piece of pie and one piece won't do. Because they are not guided properly they consume 3 pieces when one would have done and they get sick. I know for fact many borrowers could not afford the homes they were purchasing but they wanted them. Many were one paycheck away from a mortgage crisis. This is not to say that mortgage companies, appraisers, and attorneys representing the lender were not complicit. But where do you start? The borrower? Nope they get a pass right? Fannie? They are a target now. Wall street greed? Sure. At any point they could have FROZEN interest rates to stop foreclosures but they chose not to and now they are out of business and broke. Acorn? Absolutely. Bottom up folks. Placing pressure on congress, and then privately owned companies, screaming discrimination, etc. has led to this crisis. The envy of the borrower. The fear of Fannie to not be lauded as discriminatory. Greed on wall street. Congressional storks...insert head in sand..all of this is where responsibility lies.

And it can be spun anyway you wish but this administration got caught in a cross fire of class and socioeconomic manipulation.

So go ahead and vote for Obama. He reminds me of a false guru, talking about change which is nothing more then typical democratic programs. The Democratic party is the potpourri of special interest groups, each vying for a piece of the pie. Each will wind up with a crumb.

Obama's associations are at best sketchy, and at worse down right frightening. There is no magic bullet to fix this economy at this time. The fundamentals of this economy will go down the tubes with higher taxes aimed at businesses that employ so many of us. Expect more movement overseas. Expect more contracting out to overseas workers. Expect more layoffs. Expect more terrorist activity. Expect higher food prices. Ultimately expect more market failure.

Are you having a bad day?

[hokie4redskins]

What a pathetic circle jerk this is.

To the OP, if you need Obama to fix all that ails you, you've violated conservative rule numero uno. Government is the problem, not the answer.

Sad how people truly view Obama as some type of savior.

[Teller]

Sad how people truly view Obama as some type of savior.

If that's what you got out of any of my posts in this thread, you were thoroughly cheated by every educator you've ever had.