The Sisko Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 In the game chat, there were people blaming Jansen for that one blitz which was not his fault (he wasnt even near the play.) I'm getting tired of people OVERstating what might be a somewhat reasonable argument.But even Siragusa pointed out our success running behind Jansen. We've been WINNING BY RUNNING and by protecting well enough overall. You are kidding right? What about the play where L. Little ran around Jansen like he wasn't even there and sacked Campbell? There were others that resulted in pressures at least but that's just off the top of my head. Jansen is still a beast in the running game. However he just doesn't have the footspeed to pass protect as an OT anymore. Either he moves to OG this offseason or he's a post June 1 cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Jansen proved Zorn right about Heyer in pass blocking he was abused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakinaiken Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 right, because everybody else looked great during the preseason.One game is all it takes for some of you. are you jon jansen's son or something? he's not very good..accept it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarias Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I've been saying the same thing but everyone called me a Jansen hater. Same here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 You are kidding right? What about the play where L. Little ran around Jansen like he wasn't even there and sacked Campbell? There were others that resulted in pressures at least but that's just off the top of my head.Jansen is still a beast in the running game. However he just doesn't have the footspeed to pass protect as an OT anymore. Either he moves to OG this offseason or he's a post June 1 cut. While I'd generally agree with you, my point is about people overstating it. The problem also is that he is not the reason we didn't throw deep or take advantage of their 3 healthy corners on the roster secondary (after one guy got hurt.) Jansen did get beat a few times. The pure speed guys like Little give him problems. I've seen Samuels get beat a few times like that too. The problem is, that was not Campbell's blind side. He should have throw the ball and avoided that one Little sack. Plus, if we can't run to teh right side anymore, that's going to really limit us offensively. I'm not saying Heyer can't runblock but it's not as if heyer lit it up in pass pro vs. the Giants or made no other mistakes. If Portis' output goes from 150 yards to 50, you'll forgive the pass pro breakdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Rich Fla Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 NO, he sucks! He's as good at hiis job as I am at mine, and I'm unemployed! Gedt rid of him! **** him! and be done with with this whole Jansen thing, GODDAMIT! I know the players read this stuff. Well, Jansen you should stop now! Stop playing before YOU hurt the team further!o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 he may not be completely shot just yet, but the fact is that Heyer is a much better player at this stage of their careers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Jansen is a good run blocker. Unfortunately, it appears he lacks any ability to get his hands on, or pay attention to, anyone rushing the passer. Kudos to JC for making Jansen look better by avoiding the rush so many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovachs Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Jansen is a decent run blocker and a very good short yardage run blocker. His pass protection has really dropped off and he is very vulnerable to a speed rush off the edge. It's not like he's at the point in his career where he is going to get faster, but Heyer is at the point in his career where he is going to get stronger. As soon as Heyer is healthy I expect that he get back his starting job. They just give up too much in pass protection with Jansen in there and that is more important for Zorn. ps...now that there is some film available of Jansen playing this year I expect that teams will be looking to exploit his reduced mobility in coming games if he is still playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 why does everyone think hes incredible in the run game? he might be better than heyer...might be The yards per run on the right side are dramatically better since Jansen came in at RT. I don't have the stats handy but it's obvious watching the games. They probably jumped from 2ypc to 5ypc with Jansen in the game. He helps in all the running plays. Unfortunately, while he did fairly well in pass protection against the Cowboys and Eagles he didn't do well today. I don't think Jansen will be out on the street next year. He potentially could play Guard as that position requires less athletic ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Somebody can rewatch the game and post the stats... JJ was beat all game long and for that matter rookie Chris Long made Chris Samuels look like a rookie himself. Poor, poor showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Here's the problem with having Jansen as a better run blocker vs. Heyer as a better pass protector. A failed run rarely looses you more than a couple or three yards. However a sack looses 6-10 yards, potentially results in a fumble, possibly gets your QB hurt, and can change the complexion of your offensive gameplan. For an example of the latter, just look at today's game again. If we had Heyer in the game I'm sure we'd have done more to exploit their depleted CB corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Jansen's still a good run blocker -- but he isn't even a mediocre pass blocker anymore. Watch the tape -- he gets pushed back or beaten at least half of the time. There's a reason we don't go deep a lot. It's the same reason Zorn has been itching for Heyer to get healthy. He simply doesn't trust Jansen to do his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 It's the same reason Zorn has been itching for Heyer to get healthy. He simply doesn't trust Jansen to do his job. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Shot Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 are you jon jansen's son or something? he's not very good..accept it I actually couldn't really give a **** if Heyer or Jansen started...I just like to trouble people for making threads like these after a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Jansen's still a good run blocker -- but he isn't even a mediocre pass blocker anymore. Watch the tape -- he gets pushed back or beaten at least half of the time. There's a reason we don't go deep a lot. It's the same reason Zorn has been itching for Heyer to get healthy. He simply doesn't trust Jansen to do his job. That's another thing I like about Zorn he is NOT torn by loyalty to any player.He will put the best guy in for the job in and I for one apperciate it. I like Jansen but he is hurting the team and Heyer gives JC better pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 I just want Heyer back. He's good for a couple of weeks, but speed rushers kill him now. Come on Stephon, please come back against the Brownies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 We had like 4 plays of 8+ yards on the right side in the second half. I don't think we do that with Heyer in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Coaches were telling Snyder and Vinny he was done during the interview process. Not that I haven't been saying that for a few years now, but how about a link for your claim? That is pretty significant inside info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINSFAN87 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 If anyone watched the game today, Jon Jansen doesn't deserve to be the starter anymore. He stunk the whole game, especially in pass coverage. He was getting manhandled the whole game. I hope heyer gets healthy quickly to take over the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL_LiKe_CooLeY Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Well he didn't stink against Dallas or Philly...idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DButz65 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Pass coverage? When did he start playing defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt'n Obvious Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 If anyone watched the game today, Jon Jansen doesn't deserve to be the starter anymore. He stunk the whole game, especially in pass coverage. He was getting manhandled the whole game. I hope heyer gets healthy quickly to take over the spot. Where was this "bench Jansen" talk after the Dallas and Philly games? :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozskin Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Where was this "bench Jansen" talk after the Dallas and Philly games?:logo: Exactly. I'm so glad Zorn is in charge and not half the people on here. Most of the line played poorly today, not just Jansen. Let's take them all out. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Exactly. I'm so glad Zorn is in charge and not half the people on here. Most of the line played poorly today, not just Jansen. Let's take them all out. :cool:Zorn will put Jansen back on the bench as soon as Heyer is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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