Aussie teen arrested for wearing a T-Shirt

[scottie]

Brits seem to be infatuated with that word.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

And trying to tell someone the bible is fact is like someone telling you the koran is fact.

Except that there are 0 points in the Bible that contradict themselves or can be disproven. Aside from what the Bible preaches, there is proof through archaeological finds.

[Kurd Cudins]

Here's the link again: http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/

It both bothers and scares me that this site is your proof the bible is fact. We are done here.

[MrSilverMaC]

Except that there are 0 points in the Bible that contradict themselves or can be disproven. Aside from what the Bible preaches, there is proof through archaeological finds.

Lol, in your mind that's true. In mine, and well over a billion others, not so much.

But I love how you try to place your opinion, which you obviously strongly believe, on the level of fact. I give you props for your faith, but pardon me if I smirk when you present it.

[Henry]

I'm not certain it's legal to walk around in public with the word **** on your shirt in this country either. Freedom of speech does have it's limits. Certain words ARE censored due to their offensive nature. So are certain actions which could be considered an expression of an idea, like walking down Main Street naked.

If his shirt said 'Jesus is a jerk' we're in a much grayer area. But I think the C word makes the issue fairly clear. At least to me.

[#98QBKiller]

The shirt's dumb and offensive but so is the fact that he got arrested for wearing it....it's also kind of Nazi to arrest someone for an offensive shirt

[Mooka]

Of course it's okay to bash Christianity and to defame the name of Christ.

Apparently, not in Australia.

Brain washed? How so? Disprove it. Please, I implore you to disprove it. It seems that no one can.

Umm...perhaps you'd like to prove miracles are possible for us.

[MrSilverMaC]

I'm not certain it's legal to walk around in public with the word **** on your shirt in this country either. Freedom of speech does have it's limits. Certain words ARE censored due to their offensive nature. So are certain actions which could be considered an expression of an idea, like walking down Main Street naked.

If his shirt said 'Jesus is a jerk' we're in a much grayer area. But I think the C word makes the issue fairly clear. At least to me.

I'm pretty sure you can have expletives on your clothing and be fine in public. Think of it this way: If you saw a guy walking down Pennsylvania Ave with a shirt that read "**** Dallas" would you expect him to be arrested? This is the same thing, only difference is the religious aspect of it.

[Boots]

what if we tak ereligion completly out of the discussion? What if the shirt just had the "C" word on it? or how about the "F" word? Expressing your oppinion is great, but I think that shirt is meant to offend, not express some higer truth or some closely held belief. I know here in Virginia Beach, they have signs posted all over the resort that have these symbols: *@#! with a slash through them. Meaning, that the use of foul language is prohibited. YES, you can be arrested for using offensive language in VB.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

It both bothers and scares me that this site is your proof the bible is fact. We are done here.

That's not my sole proof. I'm just using that to show proof in the archaeological field.

Great job of having no rebuttal for it and running off. I commend you :applause:

Lol' date=' in your mind that's true. In mine, and well over a billion others, not so much.

But I love how you try to place your opinion, which you obviously strongly believe, on the level of fact. I give you props for your faith, but pardon me if I smirk when you present it.[/quote']

Thanks....I think :laugh:

Apparently, not in Australia.

Umm...perhaps you'd like to prove miracles are possible for us.

If that's something other than a smartass response, PM me. I have to head out, and need to stop hijacking this thread, so if anyone wants to carry on with any of these discussions, PM me, I'll be back tonight.

[Henry]

I'm pretty sure you can have expletives on your clothing and be fine in public. Think of it this way: If you saw a guy walking down Pennsylvania Ave with a shirt that read "**** Dallas" would you expect him to be arrested? This is the same thing, only difference is the religious aspect of it.

I honestly don't know, but considering you can't use that word on the public airwaves I wouldn't be surprised if it were technically illegal to wear it on a shirt, but that the law is just not very strongly enforced. Maybe someone who actually does know could enlighten us.

[#98QBKiller]

I honestly don't know, but considering you can't use that word on the public airwaves I wouldn't be surprised if it were technically illegal to wear it on a shirt, but that the law is just not very strongly enforced. Maybe someone who actually does know could enlighten us.

I think that's what this all comes down to...can you or can you not wear expletives on your shirt in Australia?

If so, then of course he shouldn't have been arrested.

[btfoom]

... Hell, religion, christiandom in particular, has killed more people throughout history than nazi's ever did not to mention nazism was a christian backed-based movement..

I usually don't like to threadjack, but I've seen this monumentially stupid line in other threads. You are either too uneducated to know how wrong you are or too lazy (stupid??) to learn the facts.

Fact #1 - Twenty to Twenty Five million Russians ALONE were killed during WW2. (source - among many: http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1363147.htm)

Fact #2 - There were approximtely 20000 people killed over 200 years during the crusades (source - http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm) and approximately 2250 killed during the inquisition (source - http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/inquisition.htm).

At this point, you are only about 19 - 24 MILLION people short (about 9% of Earth's TOTAL polpluation in 1000 AD), and that is Russian deaths only.

Fact #3 - The Nazi party was NOT a Christian backed-based movement. It was a political movement of the far right, nationalistic and socialistic group, that came to power by blaming various groups (including Christians) for Germany's woes. (source - again, among MANY - http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6.htm)

You know, I don't mind folks posting their opinions, even if they are based on things that just are not true. In this case, MrSilverMaC, you are just SO wrong that I had to point it out.

[Mooka]

If that's something other than a smartass response, PM me. I have to head out, and need to stop hijacking this thread, so if anyone wants to carry on with any of these discussions, PM me, I'll be back tonight.

Not at all.

There's support and archaeological proof for nearly all of the worlds religions; modern and ancient. Maybe not to the extent of; say, the Gospels, but people have no problem separating fact from mythology in other religious texts. I bet you do yourself and don't even know it.

[Destino]

Him asking me to disprove it is just as ridiculous then' date=' right? I've always accepted people's belief in the bible, but to suggest it to be fact is wrong. It can't be proven either way, which means it CAN'T be a fact.[/quote']

Asking someone to disprove something is almost always wrong just from a logical standpoint. I just think these debates are nonsense because there can be no proof of something that happened 2000 years ago that will be considered sufficient considering the extraordinary circumstances. I mean there are people taking pictures and video of "ghosts" today and even that isn't considered proof because of the extraordinary nature. If video, pictures, witnesses, and even some measure of predictability falls short of proving a belief nuetral things like ghosts there is no way Jesus and the events surrounding him can even be hoped to be considered "proven".

[Forehead]

Okay, first to address the arguments going on in here, I'm a religious guy who basically keeps it to myself. My personal belief is that folks like this kid will answer for their actions sooner or later, even if later extends to the afterlife. I rarely ever speak my views to anyone, they're personal.

Let's get to the real travesty of this article. Cradle of Filth? I remember them...along with Lamb of God and Death and all the other death metal bands my junior year roommate in college used to listen to, and play his guitar along with. Those bands all suck! How in the hell can unintelligible grumbling/growling and guitars with amps up to 11 be considered music? I would almost, almost, be more willing to listen to "gangsta rap" than this trash, which I suffered through for an entire year.

Man, Cradle of Filth. I can't begin to describe how little I like them, and that entire genre of music.

[IbleedBnG83]

That's not my sole proof. I'm just using that to show proof in the archaeological field.

Great job of having no rebuttal for it and running off. I commend you :applause:

Thanks....I think :laugh:

If that's something other than a smartass response, PM me. I have to head out, and need to stop hijacking this thread, so if anyone wants to carry on with any of these discussions, PM me, I'll be back tonight.

How about if a non-christian group would write a credible piece showing signs to such proof...maybe a group with a little less interest than to self promote.

[Corcaigh]

The shirt is offensive and that is its intent. Apparently it's also illegal to wear in public in certain situations in the UK and Australia. I don't have a problem with that, but I similarly don't have a problem with some other restrictions on speech which are designed to offend, incite or intimidate.

And I can't believe that no-one has commented on ... "The Reverend Matt Hunt ..."

I'm sure we can all agree that it would have been funny if the Reverend's first name was Mike.

[Corcaigh]

If so, then of course he shouldn't have been arrested.

The UK has laws about inciting hatred and Australia may do the same.

For example, it is a crime in the UK to carry a poster in praise of the 9/11 or 7/7 attacks.

Fred Phelps would be arrested in the UK if he carried the signs he does.

[Thiebear]

And trying to tell someone the bible is fact is like someone telling you the koran is fact.

The both are fact.

I'm an atheist but i know both exist and billions believe in them = fact.

Now... on some of the subjects they cover... stories with a purpose.

A heck of a lot less scientists believe in man-made global warming but you get the same response if you say thats untrue also.

*note: There are books that did not make the bible... are they fact also? or does the fact of each story depend on the binding.

[MrSilverMaC]

I usually don't like to threadjack, but I've seen this monumentially stupid line in other threads. You are either too uneducated to know how wrong you are or too lazy (stupid??) to learn the facts.

Fact #1 - Twenty to Twenty Five million Russians ALONE were killed during WW2. (source - among many: http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1363147.htm)

Fact #2 - There were approximtely 20000 people killed over 200 years during the crusades (source - http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_cru1.htm) and approximately 2250 killed during the inquisition (source - http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/inquisition.htm).

At this point, you are only about 19 - 24 MILLION people short (about 9% of Earth's TOTAL polpluation in 1000 AD), and that is Russian deaths only.

Fact #3 - The Nazi party was NOT a Christian backed-based movement. It was a political movement of the far right, nationalistic and socialistic group, that came to power by blaming various groups (including Christians) for Germany's woes. (source - again, among MANY - http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6.htm)

You know, I don't mind folks posting their opinions, even if they are based on things that just are not true. In this case, MrSilverMaC, you are just SO wrong that I had to point it out.

:sigh:

Thank you btfoom for calling me uneducated, lazy, and stupid in one post. I apprecaite it.

Just real quick since I am at work don't have time to present my side in full: If you think the crusades are the only time in history "christains" have killed in the name of christ, then I am afraid you should probably refrain form calling anyone uneducated, stupid, or lazy at any time in your life.

[MrSilverMaC]

The both are fact.

I'm an atheist but i know both exist and billions believe in them = fact.

Now... on some of the subjects they cover... stories with a purpose.

A heck of a lot less scientists believe in man-made global warming but you get the same response if you say thats untrue also.

*note: There are books that did not make the bible... are they fact also? or does the fact of each story depend on the binding.

Yeah, but that's not what was under review.

As far as global warming goes, you can look at the evidence that is or isn't in the here and now, as opposed to two books originally done well over 1500 years ago.

AND, I still say it's dumb to arrest someone for a shirt because it hurts your feelings. ( that was my attempt to at least turn the thread back to the original subject :laugh: )

[thehogs]

I'm an atheist but I can see why someone would be offended (arrested? I doubt it), but I thought the comment by the Reverend was irrelevant:

"Mr Hunt said using the Lord's name in vain was a serious sin.

"When someone comes to the point of saying Jesus is the devil or Jesus is 'expletive', the Bible does say be very careful because you're on thin ice." "

a serious sin?.."the Bible says you're on thin ice"...well, if you are a believer and follow what the Bible says, yeah ok. For me, the Bible can put it on as thin a piece of ice as it wants. The guy caused offence to people but committed a "sin"?! Make way for the middle-ages folks, sack cloth and ashes will be handed out shortly. :doh:

[Teller]

Obviously, I find it offensive. But I think the kid should be allowed to wear it without getting locked up; especially if he had been in the United States.

Now, if the image of the nun was graphic enough to violate public indecency laws ("Mommy, what's the girl on his shirt doing?"), then that's a different matter, but still, issue a citation, and send him home to change it.

If I expect to voice opinions that others might find loathesome, then I can't in good conscience criticize the same.

[BigMike619]

when I was in HS I had a Megadeth shirt on that said "killing is my business and business is good". It was the name of one of their albums but my principal made me turn it inside out for the day. I had to because I was under his care that day.

The people who defend this kid wearing this to school also have to defend the guy who had the confederate flag on his truck.

Personally I dont think he should have been arrested. But then again I would have checked him on the spot and if he mouthed off I would have socked him one. And when he asked why I did it I would say, "because Jesus is too busy protecting those who believe and worship him so he sent me to handle you".