Fifty Gut Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 9. Carlos Rogers, cornerback, Redskins: He’s on the path to being declared a bust. We’ll give him one more year. 25. Jason Campbell, quarterback, Redskins: Campbell is on his way to becoming a solid starter, and could evolve into one of the better signal-callers in the conference. Not a bust. Rest of first-round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I really want to see what Rogers does out of the Greg Williams scheme. Some say that Rogers was most comfortable in Bump and Run Coverage. I am gonna await making judgments on our young players out of the Gibbs/GW system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal2Washington Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Hard to argue that. Rogers was clearly a solid number two CB but you don't draft solid number 2's with a top ten pick. Factor in that Ware and Merriman were still available and it makes it that much worse. Campbell was a solid pick, as of now, with potential to be a steal at 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Rogers was playing some VERY good and much improved football last season before being injured. When your game is improving you're not "on your way" to being a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 By the way, they have 7 of the top 10 draft picks labeled as busts, and I can't argue with any of them lol :laugh: :doh:...only Edwards is now seen as worthy of his draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I think Carlos will be fine once he mends, especially if they don't have him playing so far off the line. It's hard to believe they already have correctly labeled 14 as busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Rogers was playing some VERY good and much improved football last season before being injured. When your game is improving you're not "on your way" to being a bust. ding ding ding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I like Carlos, but damn, I wish he could stop letting balls bounce off his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabronijames Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 You know...I would say that Campbell is in risk of being declared a bust. He shows flashes of brilliance, but he's pretty inconsistent. We'll give him another year and see how he does under Zorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I like Carlos, but damn, I wish he could stop letting balls bounce off his hands.Look at the bright side, at least he's getting his hands on 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Rogers was playing some VERY good and much improved football last season before being injured. When your game is improving you're not "on your way" to being a bust. Ding effing ding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 I found this interesting: "14. Thomas Davis, safety/linebacker, Panters: He’s not spectacular, but he started 16 games in 2007. Not a bust." That description--"he's not spectacular, but he started 16 games in 2007"--could have easily been applied to Rogers in 2006, and last year if not for the injury. Meaning, the Panthers at the #14 pick got a guy who is good enough to start all 16 games even though he's "not spectacular", so he's not a bust. However, the Redskins at the #9 pick got a guy who is good enough to start all 16 games even though he's "not spectacular", and he's on his way to becoming a bust. Those 5 measly spots really mean that much? If so, it kinda validates what Vinny has been saying about not reaching for a certain position in the draft simply to fill a need. Because apparently Carlos Rogers at #14 is not a bust, but Carlos Rogers at #9 IS a bust (or close to one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Jones Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 They had a lot of Busts in the first round of that draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dez4theskins Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 In the beginning of the season they threw to Springs side more than Carlos side. When he went down in New England thats when the flood gates opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzinator53 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 9. Carlos Rogers, cornerback, Redskins: He’s on the path to being declared a bust. We’ll give him one more year.25. Jason Campbell, quarterback, Redskins: Campbell is on his way to becoming a solid starter, and could evolve into one of the better signal-callers in the conference. Not a bust. Rest of first-round Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateSkins Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Hopefully Rogers won't be giving up a 15 yard cushion every play. God I hated that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Hard to argue that. Rogers was clearly a solid number two CB but you don't draft solid number 2's with a top ten pick. Factor in that Ware and Merriman were still available and it makes it that much worse. I agree, but does being a #2 CB make him a bust? I dont think so. To me, a bust means you are a non-factor or out of the league entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paloosa Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 9. Carlos Rogers, cornerback, Redskins: He’s on the path to being declared a bust. We’ll give him one more year.25. Jason Campbell, quarterback, Redskins: Campbell is on his way to becoming a solid starter, and could evolve into one of the better signal-callers in the conference. Not a bust. Rest of first-round How did he come to that conclusion? and Who made him the expert? He is just another writer who expresses his opinion without any true analysis. What is the criteria and information that they determine whether a guy is a great player, a good player or a bust? It is all the matter of opinion. MNel Kiper Jr., Todd McShay, and all these draft experts never get it right completely. So they write up that, for example, Carlos Rogers, Roy Williams, Tank Johnson or even Adrian Peterson is going to be this impact player, shutdown corner, or great runner, but in reality they were just dead wrong on their analysis. Also systems and schemes have a lot to do with the success of any player. Take Archeletta for example, he was a great player when he was with the Rams but ever since then he hasn't done nothing because he was exposed for his flaws. Carlos hasn't been that bad of a corner but hasn't really been utilized correctly. Gregg Williams will make the Jags worse on Defense because of his scheme. Yes, they will be in the Top 10 in Defense but they won't be as dominate as the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzinator53 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 How did he come to that conclusion? and Who made him the expert? He is just another writer who expresses his opinion without any true analysis. What is the criteria and information that they determine whether a guy is a great player, a good player or a bust? . Gregg Williams will make the Jags worse on Defense because of his scheme. Yes, they will be in the Top 10 in Defense but they won't be as dominate as the last couple of years. 1. Research and Analysis by watching on the field performance and comparing player stats to league leaders 2. The readers of his writing 3. stats, on the field performance, leadership, toughness, off the field performance 4. Jags were a top 12 defense last year. A top ten performance this year will make them better not worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbodiesel#44 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Hopefully Rogers won't be giving up a 15 yard cushion every play. God I hated that.That was GW. We'll see if Blache has a different philosophy. Does anybody remember how he played his corners in Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzj Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 oh, dizzinator53. you're my hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illone Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 Rogers' main problem has been consistency. He flashes greatness to the point where I can't call him a bust just yet. If he could just stay on the field and play every game like he played against Detroit in 07, and the Saints/Cowboys in 2006, then the Skins would have a legitimate shutdown corner for the next 5-6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recent Vintage Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 He's much better in bump and run, see the shutdown of Philly in week 2 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 1. Research and Analysis by watching on the field performance and comparing player stats to league leaders2. The readers of his writing 3. stats, on the field performance, leadership, toughness, off the field performance And yet none of those validate calling Rogers a "bust" at the moment.Rogers was playing absolutely shut down in 2007 whether people like to admit it or not until his freak knee injury. How soon the haters forget we had the best pass defense in the NFC thanks to Taylor and Rogers, while teams were able to pick on Smoot and especially Springs in the early half of the season. People need to get off the Ware/Merriman whining too, because both of those guys are perfect fits as pass rushers in a 3-4...how they'd fare in a 4-3 is pure speculation, but somehow I doubt they'd be the same players they are today in their current schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 At least JC seems to be a solid choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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