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Morneblade

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4 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

@Morneblade I think McGee will be starting DE, we'll look to add a more traditional NT in the draft hopefully, on latter downs I see us subbing in a more agressive DE for the NT whilst pushing McGee inside as a more mobile tackle option on say third downs. 

 

Are you talking a 3-4 or a 4-3?

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HTTRDynasty

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Cool snapshot of Thompson's 2016 contributions per PFF:

 

  • Despite playing in a rotational role, Washington RB Chris Thompson managed 489 offensive snaps in 2016.
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  • He was especially effective in third-down situations, receiving 69 percent of all Washington backfield targets last season and Kirk Cousins had a QB rating of 102.5 while throwing his way, 2.4 points above the NFL average.
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  • Thompson led the way in Washington’s backfield in all major categories: average yards per carry, yards after contact per attempt, yards per route run and elusive rating.
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  • When targeting Thompson on screens and out routes from the backfield, Kirk Cousins earned QB ratings of 122.4 (19.9 points above NFL average) and 114.1 (14.8 points above NFL average), respectively.
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  • Thompson ranked 10th among running backs in yards per route run, earning 1.13 yards per snap.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-washington-brings-back-specialist-thompson/

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Est.1974

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6 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

Are you talking a 3-4 or a 4-3?

 

Were running a 3-4 so I think that's a given. Don't think that dictates we have 2 DEs and 1 pure NT on the field every down. Not sure on McGee's weight but I'd guess he's nearer 315 than 285. Works for me.

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Morneblade

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2 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

 

Were running a 3-4 so I think that's a given. Don't think that dictates we have 2 DEs and 1 pure NT on the field every down. Not sure on McGee's weight but I'd guess he's nearer 315 than 285. Works for me.

 

We go to a 4-3 in our nickle package, so it's not a given. DEs move to DT and OLB move to DE. I'm not sure what formation your talking about, when you think (or if you think) McGee would be playing NT in a non nickle situation, or why. Can you be more clear about what you are referring to?

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Est.1974

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21 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

 

I stick with my prediction on signing that McGee spends a lot of time inside at DT. We'll draft a DE and McGee is big enough to cover the inside duties.

@Morneblade my original post you contested. Not sure I've ever said he'd be NT but could be mistaken. 

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Morneblade

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2 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

@Morneblade my original post you contested. Not sure I've ever said he'd be NT but could be mistaken. 

 

22 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

Check out the new guys, always good to see them rocking Redskins kit. We seem to have a NT in there.....

 

http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/PHOTOS-New-Faces-Of-The-Redskins/755c9745-7fce-42d1-89db-fd183d20464c

 

21 hours ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

 

I stick with my prediction on signing that McGee spends a lot of time inside at DT. We'll draft a DE and McGee is big enough to cover the inside duties.

 

You did, and I still have not idea what you're trying to say here. I guess the first question is; NT or DT?

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Morneblade

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Just now, UK SKINS FAN '74 said:

I said DT

 

Phil Taylor is in the pictures and he's a NT

 

Yes, and when I mentioned Phil Taylor (and what a crapshoot that was), you went back to talking about McGee. So, you're talking about moving McGee to DT when we go to a 4-3 in our nickle, correct?

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1 minute ago, wit33 said:

With Thompson in last year of deal, physically maturing... I wonder if Skins will allow him more opportunities to be the lead back for series at a time. 

 

Thoughts? 

 

I think Gruden is afraid to do that. He has said he loves Thompson, but is afraid to overuse him and get him hurt. So, I kinda doubt it.

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51 minutes ago, Morneblade said:

 

Yes, and when I mentioned Phil Taylor (and what a crapshoot that was), you went back to talking about McGee. So, you're talking about moving McGee to DT when we go to a 4-3 in our nickle, correct?

 

Primarily, although depending on what Manusky uncovers I'd be open minded to what McGee's role may end up being. It would not surprise me if he gets reps in a NT role. My initial comments are in relation to him playing DT though.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/10/what-to-make-of-newly-acquired-redskins-defensive-linemen-terrell-mcclain-stacy-mcgee/?utm_term=.b09298d5e236

 

“McGee is a two-down backup nose tackle,” said the NFC executive. “He’s strong at the point of attack and gets some push as a power rusher. He just doesn’t have the best instincts to locate the ball, and he plays high at times.”

McGee, 27, has 18 career starts, but has the ability to grow into a starting role as the zero-technique nose tackle in the base 3-4 defense or a 1-technique in a 4-3 front.

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On 4/21/2017 at 8:34 PM, Morneblade said:

 

The Giants, Panthers, Broncos, Steelers, Texans, Seahawks, Ravens, Chiefs and Pats all have very physical defenses. The Cowboys, Panthers, Steelers, Seahawks, Titans, Vikings have very physical offenses.

 

This is what you don't get. When the weather gets colder and nastier, and the field conditions get worse and worse, throwing the ball 50 times a game becomes more and more difficult.

 

 

For a person who thinks he's a genius, your reply sure doesn't make sense. Cowboys offense before Elliott wasn't anything special. Panthers without Cam isn't physical. Steelers throw the ball more than we do. Seahawks offensive line was their biggest weakness last year. They started 3 rookies I believe. Titans?..cmon! Vikings..yea thats an offense we should strive to be. 

 

Again today's NFL is not about the Riggos years of yesterday. Pats Falcons Green Bay Detroit Miami Oakland and NY all throw the ball more than run the ball. Which one of those teams lined up and ran the ball in Dec/Jan?

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18 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

Well, thats where they are ranked and picked in every mock,so...

 

Forgot where I saw it (and who knows if it has merit) but when of the more reputable mock draft guys said that they expect Tomlinson to go higher than expected -- maybe in the 2nd.  The thought is he isn't just a pure run stuffer and brings some pass rushing ability and he might jump out for that reason.

 

A guy that's growing on me for NT is Vincent Taylor

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-vincent-taylor-di-oklahoma-state/?utm_content=buffer11b06&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=college

Name: Vincent Taylor

School: Oklahoma State

Position: Nose tackle (0/1 technique)

Stats to know: 43 total pressures tied for 11th among all interior defensive linemen in 2016.

What he does best:

  • Tremendously powerful, uses heavy hands to shock lineman as he engages.
  • Consistently stands up blockers on initial contact.
  • Flashes ability to generate vertical movement against single blocks in the run game.
  • Displays good leverage and strength when bull rushing, consistently able to collapse the pocket.
  • Possesses sufficient power to disengage opposing lineman with just one arm.
  • Multi-dimensional pass-rusher, beat blocks using the swim, rip and arm over moves intermittently.
  • Forces offensive lineman to overextend with a developed push/pull move.
  • Sufficiently athletic for the position, unbalanced offensive lineman with quickness occasionally.
  • Refined upper body technique, displays good hand placement and ability to “get skinny” to penetrate.

Vincent Taylor

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5 hours ago, Morneblade said:

 

I think Gruden is afraid to do that. He has said he loves Thompson, but is afraid to overuse him and get him hurt. So, I kinda doubt it.

 

Ya, I remember the same. Just thought plans could change from one year to the next. Not a huge reason to change it though. 

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Yep, NT is (still) the biggest need on our team, and I hope the team figures out how to get a viable one.  Really, really hoping we find a way to land one in the 2nd-4th.  

 

Still unhappy that we missed out on dline last year.  I've argued we can 'get by' without one, but it's far from ideal - we'd probably still struggle badly vs the run, but at least we have a few guys that can make a difference, along with scheming/coaching changes.  At the minimum, I want a contributing/starting Dlineman added in the draft, but a DE and NT should be the goal.  

 

If one of the top guys doesn't fall to us at 17, I hope we don't reach for an edge rusher.  Trade back, get one of the edge rushers they seem to be targeting, and then hope you can land two dline with the multiple 2nd-4th round picks. 

 

 

Edit:  @Morneblade. I told you I get it, lol.  Was simply arguing we can still improve on defense without one - possibly in the run game (better ILB and S play), but particularly on 3rd down, RZ and turnovers - ala 2015.  Value-wise, I wonder about trading back (more than once?) to the late 1st, pick up Wormley, and then hit dline (NT especially) again (and again?) with all the extra picks.  

 

 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Yep, NT is (still) the biggest need on our team, and I hope the team figures out how to get a viable one.  Really, really hoping we find a way to land one in the 2nd-4th.  

 

Still unhappy that we missed out on dline last year.  I've argued we can 'get by' without one, but it's far from ideal - we'd probably still struggle badly vs the run, but at least we have a few guys that can make a difference, along with scheming/coaching changes.  At the minimum, I want a contributing/starting Dlineman added in the draft, but a DE and NT should be the goal.  

 

If one of the top guys doesn't fall to us at 17, I hope we don't reach for an edge rusher.  Trade back, get one of the edge rushers they seem to be targeting, and then hope you can land two dline with the multiple 2nd-4th round picks. 

 

 

Edit:  @Morneblade. I told you I get it, lol.  Was simply arguing we can still improve on defense without one - possibly in the run game (better ILB and S play), but particularly on 3rd down, RZ and turnovers - ala 2015.  Value-wise, I wonder about trading back (more than once?) to the late 1st, pick up Wormley, and then hit dline (NT especially) again (and again?) with all the extra picks.  

 

 

 

 

 

I know, I was pretty tough on you wasn't I? I think what might have put us on such a disconnect is that we should not draft a NT early, there just isn't the value in this draft for them there, but 3rd 4th round, that is where I think the value is. We can still hit other areas first.

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1 hour ago, zskins said:

BREAKING NEWS: Will Compton is signed.  

yaaaaaay

3 hours ago, Morneblade said:

 

I know, I was pretty tough on you wasn't I? I think what might have put us on such a disconnect is that we should not draft a NT early, there just isn't the value in this draft for them there, but 3rd 4th round, that is where I think the value is. We can still hit other areas first.

Good drugs today, huh?:rofl89:

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15 hours ago, HTTRDynasty said:

But people still don't think we need to sign/draft a legit NT...

 

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This is not an argument to say the Redskins should not upgrade at NT, but one thing I like about Manusky is much like Philips, he will bring 5 guys often.  Barry essentially ran a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel here.  Bringing five helps both stop the rush and get pressure. 

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