BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, tshile said: Um, he still hasn’t won and he looks pretty terrible when he’s competing - like it comes with a lot of pain. Maybe it doesn’t and that’s just the way he looks now that he’s older. You really came in here to gloat about tiger not being washed up after multiple back surgeries, a terrible dui situation, and years of withdrawals after poor performances and months upon months of not even playing? because he was in position on Sunday? Brandl Chamblee, is that you? Tiger was basically a drug addict in May of 2017. He was ranked like 1000 something in the world at the end of 2017, he's now ranked 51. Outside of missing the cut at the US Open, he's been playing damn good golf. He shot his lowest score ever on a Sunday in a Major yesterday. 2 strokes better than the guy he was chasing. He was hitting lasers, vintage Tiger shots with his irons/wedges. If you watched, you would have seen that the golf gods simply were not with him yesterday. Half the ball was in the cup for birdie to not fall and another dropped in and came back out on the back nine yesterday. I'm not sure what you're seeing in regards to him looking terrible and that he's in a lot of pain. Edited August 13, 2018 by BatteredFanSyndrome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, tshile said: Um, he still hasn’t won and he looks pretty terrible when he’s competing - like it comes with a lot of pain. Maybe it doesn’t and that’s just the way he looks now that he’s older. You really came in here to gloat about tiger not being washed up after multiple back surgeries, a terrible dui situation, and years of withdrawals after poor performances and months upon months of not even playing? because he was in position on Sunday? No, not gloating. Just came to ask if people would admit being wrong about Tiger. He's going to win again. A lot. Soon. So much so that it will become regular for people to hate him again here (for winning, for being non apologetic about it, etc). The dude legit had/has a broken back. He got addicted to pain pills (and porn stars) and it looks like he's managed to beat back his demons. How is that not good for golf? Besides that...I came to laugh at the silliness of people who wrote off the single greatest thing that has happened to modern golf (don't laugh, it's true even if you have it). As if his talent ever went away. 10 hours ago, Hersh said: I don't care either way but maybe people can let him win first and have some sustained success. Question based on your statement "Talent was there." (and I don't mean this in an argumentative way): Do top professional athletes ever lose the talent? Okay, one more question and again, not argumentative: What does it mean to be washed up? I'd say yes. They age and the skill set goes away. Washed up - David Duval (or in another sport - Tim Lincecum) Duval was at or near Tiger's level. He won 12 of 34 tournaments over a 2 year period. He easily could have won 4 Master's in a row. Now, he's faded into relative obscurity. Also..Anthony Kim. Remember him? Superstar at 22..washed up at 27 or whatever when he gets injured and decides not to play anymore so he can claim an insurance policy that pays him $10-20 million. 2 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: He will never be that dominant again. He went from running laps around the competition and being far and away the best golfer now to just being one of the 10-15 best. Still good enough to sneak out a couple majors if everything goes his way. He won't intimidate anyone and it's never going to come as easy as it used to. Probably right but he also didn't dominate majors and tournaments as much as people remember. He was the greatest closer of them during his reign, but there are also a lot of 1-2 stroke wins on his resume. Edited August 13, 2018 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Just now, The Evil Genius said: Probably right but he also didn't dominate majors and tournaments as much as people remember. He was the greatest closer of them during his reign, but there are also a lot of 1-2 stroke wins on his resume. Agreed I meant dominate just in number of events won and always in contention at the top of leaderboards. He was totally a front runner and when he was ahead after Saturday, usually the field just couldn't keep it together and he basically had to not blow it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Btw..remember the knock on some golfers were that they had hit the weight room too much? How's that hurt Koepka? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Btw..remember the knock on some golfers were that they had hit the weight room too much? How's that hurt Koepka? Do you know his routine? Specifically I mean There is a genetics thing at play here too. Kinda important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, zoony said: Do you know his routine? Specifically I mean There is a genetics thing at play here too. Kinda important Yeah. There are quite a few articles about his workouts. Here are a few. http://www.stack.com/a/u-s-open-winner-brooks-koepka-is-a-beast-inside-the-weight-room https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19547089/brooks-koepka-discusses-golf-fitness-and-balance/ Edited August 13, 2018 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Yeah. http://www.stack.com/a/u-s-open-winner-brooks-koepka-is-a-beast-inside-the-weight-room https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19547089/brooks-koepka-discusses-golf-fitness-and-balance/ So what is he doing thats different from what tiger did? My guess is you dont know, and are talking straight out of your ass. Thats okay, this is the tailgate. As to the larger question, i dont think the book has been written yet about training in golf. Actually i dont think its close to finished. Brooks is still relatively young, at 28 Tiger was dominant too. People as benign as rory mccelroy have come out and said that tiger does too much, not to mention his former caddy. Doing olympic weightlifting training coming off surgery and not being able to sleep because of over training is probably an issue. Now if i were a pro golfer i think i would focus more on flexibility and stamina than strength. But what do i know, nothing really, im talking out of my ass too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Koepka looks extreme because he's juxtaposed with other golfers who have ordinary bodies, but he's not as big as he looks. 186 is very reasonable for his height. He's strong without being bulky and losing his flexibility. Like a fighter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Going Commando Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Also wanted to say that pencil necks like Tommy Fleetwood and Justin Rose don't necessarily have more stamina than Koepka just because they're lighter. And let's be honest, it's not that physically strenuous. Playing 18 holes even carrying your clubs and with your bag loaded full of beers is not hard. It's about mental resilience rather than physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ixcuincle said: He seems softer and more engaging in his interviews too. There was always a media Tiger and a private life Tiger. While he was always (or mostly) a good guy with the media...it seems like now it's carrying over to other people? Maybe his kids have helped..or maybe he's just thankful for being back on the tour. Edited August 13, 2018 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 One positive about Tiger this past weekend. He didn't have his A game from the tee yesterday and still made up ground. He had a B game and still played well. He's getting there. Heck, there was a time he could win with a C game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) So I've been slowly getting back into playing and picked up a sweet "newish" putter after using cheap ones since I played hs golf 25 years ago. Anyone ever order from Budget Golf before? Granted I'm a lefty but they have some closeout insane deals every now and then. They were clearing out their remaining stock of Odyssey Toe Up #9 putters for $29.96 (they ran closer to $200 when they came out a few years ago). Granted, I was a little hesitant since the price was so ridiculous..but they had good reviews from Slickdeals and even though it took 9 days for delivery..it's legit. They even have a PayPal option in case you are worried about it being fake. Edited August 13, 2018 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 14 under is far from washed up. Phil is closer to washed up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) Look, Tiger is 42. A 40 year old golfer wins a major about once every ten years or so. So, even if he had perfect health, we are in the phase of his career where winning a major would be exceedingly difficult. He's still pretty good. PS If he ever wins another major - and I suspect he will - I'm fairly certain it will be Augusta or the British Open. He could probably play the final Sunday of the Masters with a blindfold and do fairly well. And links gold has a tendency to limit the advantage that youth and physical strength have in golf. Edited August 13, 2018 by Lombardi's_kid_brother 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 35 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Also wanted to say that pencil necks like Tommy Fleetwood and Justin Rose don't necessarily have more stamina than Koepka just because they're lighter. And let's be honest, it's not that physically strenuous. Playing 18 holes even carrying your clubs and with your bag loaded full of beers is not hard. It's about mental resilience rather than physical. Could not disagree more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: I'm not sure what you're seeing in regards to him looking terrible and that he's in a lot of pain. His face after every shot. Maybe you're the one not actually watching. 2 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: How is that not good for golf? I didn't say it wasn't? I'm rooting for him to win again, I think it would be great to see. But you're in here gloating, even if you won't admit it, when he hasn't won yet and despite playing some good golf (with moments of excellence) he makes it all look painful which is worrisome for the future. In a place where, last time I saw a big tiger discussion, there seemed to be all of one guy saying anything negative/over the top about him and it wasn't even apparent he liked/played golf himself... 2 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: Btw..remember the knock on some golfers were that they had hit the weight room too much? How's that hurt Koepka? Hopefully he doesn't over do it and shred his knees or back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, tshile said: His face after every shot. Maybe you're the one not actually watching. You're the first person I've heard make any mention that he looks like he's in pain after every shot since his return this year. In fact, I recall most of the golf shows talking about how he's looked like a new man since his return, and that's going back to earlier this year. Prior to his fusion surgery and his 2018 return, I'd agree with you. But I don't see a man that looks like he's in a lot of pain after his swings right now. Edited August 13, 2018 by BatteredFanSyndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Yeah he definitely looks like a new man with sweat pouring down his grimacing face. Hopefully it's not actually painful, that' just what it looks like to me. I'll leave you to your golf show analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, tshile said: Yeah he definitely looks like a new man with sweat pouring down his grimacing face. Hopefully it's not actually painful, that' just what it looks like to me. I'll leave you to your golf show analysis Yeah, god forbid I trust folks that follow and analyze golf for a living over what you think you’re seeing. I’m not sure how sweating profusely in pants on hot and humid days equates to being in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 He was sweating buckets but the only time he looked in pain to me was when he was hitting out of the creek rough on 17. Think he might have tweaked his wrist there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, zoony said: Could not disagree more. Seriously? From the guy who calls everyone else soft? What are you carrying, like two dozen clubs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, stevemcqueen1 said: Seriously? From the guy who calls everyone else soft? What are you carrying, like two dozen clubs? I'm in good enough shape to go for a 7 mile run without stopping. (though I suppose it's more like a jog...) and I think walking 18 is a pretty decent workout even with a push/pull cart. I don't know that it's hard, but it's not nothing. I carry a full set though, I know a lot of people who trim down their set to reduce weight for walking. I don't know how that compares to having someone else carry your clubs for you. I imagine that's more like riding a card than carrying your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 (edited) I don't think many of us even approach the swing speed and torque the PGA guys use on their woods and irons though. So maybe it's not an apples to apples comparison. Edited August 13, 2018 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 hey i swing my 7i 90 mph the ball just doesn't go where i want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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