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I was thinking..."why hasn't Snyder followed the past, and redo the Hogs?


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I have officially lost faith ins Dan Snyder.  In the past we heard about how he grew up a skins fan, breathed the skins, was outside giving away programs with his father.  Yada yada yada.  I never liked Bruce Allen, but I figured he had ties to the glory days, so what could it hurt.  So why hasn't the skins invested heavier in the o-line?  Why not recreate the hogs?


I'm sorry but I am upset.  I have seen a few games, and really confused.  Why doesn't Jay run Alfred more?  Why is everything about the pass?  I am just mad to be  skins fan right now.  It seems everybody is doing what we use to.  Run the ball, play action pass, and win.  What are we doing?

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I was thinking..."Are boobiemiles like Airmiles for boobies?"

Maybe it's how many miles they bounce up and down but I digress. But yes, it sucks right now to be a fan. Going through the learning curve with a new coach once again. If we can get some sustainability with a coaching staff, offensive and defensive philosophies and front office maybe it will one day come together. Gruden hasn't learned yet how to get Morris involved in his offense. Gruden is very pass happy which we knew we were getting. I guess we never thought Morris' production would suffer. 

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How many OL can we realistically afford at the salary of Trent Williams?  I've always wondered about that...

 

The left tackle ALWAYS gets major money, and the rest of the line doesn't (in comparison).  That's why it's very rare to not find a left tackle taken in the first five picks only one in recent memory is 2011 when Tyron Smith was taken at number 10.  That was a bad year for tackles, though.

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Well, I think The Hogs were also a product of luck and superior talent evaluation. IIRC only Mark May was a 1st round pick so its not like the Skins dropped a bunch of high round picks on them. Some were undrafted. There really is no way around the fact that luck, talent evaluation, and talent development were major factors...not high round picks.

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I know, let's change to the 46 defense. Or we can change to the Flex defense. What about running the Green Bay sweep? Ooh, now I got it....

Let's run Air Coryell. Bet we'll win 5 Super Bowls!

Seriously, how about Redskin fans stop living in the past?

I'm not saying we don't need to build a good offensive line, but referencing the Hogs is a mistake. We do need a good offensive line, but we need to do it thinking about 2014 and forward.

I always picture old Redskin fans in the future, about 75 years old, watching the three SB games on a dusty old DVD player while the disc skips from being played too damn much. Sitting in their recliners reminiscing about the "good ole days." I don't want to be that guy as I witnessed all three live.

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Well, Snyder's too clueless to realize how much a part of our glory years were due to Bobby Beathard, so it's no surprise he's just as clueless as far as everything else goes.

And what does Bruce Allen have to do with our real glory years? I guess the last 2 decades have been so awful that George Allen era looks magnificent by comparison. Sigh....

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I always picture old Redskin fans in the future, about 75 years old, watching the three SB games on a dusty old DVD player while the disc skips from being played too damn much. Sitting in their recliners reminiscing about the "good ole days." I don't want to be that guy as I witnessed all three live.

Actually mine is on VHS. :lol:

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I would love it if the skins made O line a priority OP, but most people now a days think you can't win that way anymore. So we keep trying to build our version of the Broncos and losing year in and year out. No one will ever convince me that if you control the line of scrimmage and have a very good running game you can't win. Winning time of possession and keeping opposing teams offenses off the field for as long as possible would seem to be a winning formula to me even now. It would open things up for play action and some deep shots down field as well so I don't understand the down side to it.. Long story short I would always start by building offensive and defensive lines and special teams first, then bring in some skill players. That doesn't mean you ignore other positions either. It's just about priority.

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Yup, Yup, Yup. And they don't bring the casual fan out to the game to spend hundreds of $$ for a crappy product. The Dan is, has been, and always will be, all about the green, before the B&G.

It's true. It would however, be fantastic if he could figure out how to put asses in the seats by winning rather than the flashy picks.

As for Skins fans living in the past, it's all anyone born before 1965 will ever have. You know this team will suck donkey testicles as long as Dano is the owner, so unless he gets hit by a bus, the team will never be good again in our lifetime.

Whose got a bus? I'll drive
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I have officially lost faith ins Dan Snyder.  In the past we heard about how he grew up a skins fan, breathed the skins, was outside giving away programs with his father.  Yada yada yada.  I never liked Bruce Allen, but I figured he had ties to the glory days, so what could it hurt.  So why hasn't the skins invested heavier in the o-line?  Why not recreate the hogs?

 

why not recreate the Hogs?  I'll let you in on a secret; he has. In terms of how they were built, if not success

 

Mark May: 1st rounder; Russ Grimm: 3rd rounder; Joe Jacoby, Jeff Bostic, undrafted; George Starke, aging low round pick; Ken Huff, Jim Lachey, trades; Raleigh McKenzie, Ed Simmons, Mark Schlereth, young low round draft picks.

 

The Skins used very few high draft picks to form the Hogs, in fact once the core of the team was formed in the 81 and 83 drafts the Redskins mostly restocked with low round picks, trades (that took many of the higher round picks) and then Plan B free agency

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I think the Redskins have invested in the O'Line as much as they could since Allen arrived. I have seen people say that the line has been neglected, but that is simply not the case. Also, keep in mind, until this season the 'skins O-Line has plowed the way for one of the best rushing attacks in football for two straight years.

 

The cap penalty prevented them from signing the two FAs that were available and sure to make an impact. Looking at those guys now, they both ended up being heavily over-paid by the teams that signed them, and they have not earned their contracts. Instead, they signed three guys with good track records, but also with big question marks. None of them were able to overcome their question marks to supplant Polumbus, and that's okay. Polumbus has actually developed into a decent, if average RT.

 

Also during that time, since 2012,  the 'skins drafted five offensive linemen, three of them in the third round...even when the biggest need was still at safety. Most teams expect 3rd round draft picks at O-Line to start within two seasons.

 

I thought, last year, that Lichtensteiger was the worst player on the line, and a liability. He fails to pick-up stungs, gets overpowered, and is surprisingly un-athletic. So when they signed Luveau, I was looking forward to seeing Lich go. To my surprise, they instead cut the 2nd BEST lineman on the team (Montgomery), and moved Lich over to center. I think that move right there is one of the three big reasons why the line isn't performing. Lich doesn't call the assignments as well, and he doesn't block as well.

 

I also thought that Long far outperformed Chester during pre-season, and I have no idea why he isn't starting. He will make mistakes, but he looks like a solid RG for the future. Even so, Chester hasn't been bad, but his body is breaking down. Had the younger guy been starting all this time, he'd be getting his feet under him by now.

 

The level of talent on the O-line really isn't bad. It is comparable to most other teams. The problem is that every O-line needs help from TEs and RBs, and the 'skins are lacking in this area.

 

Reason #2...when the D-Line has to maintain their lanes because they aren't sure if Griffin has the ball, it amplifies what Morris does best. Having Griffin back on the field will make a huge difference. Its not just Griffin's running ability, it is his fantastic ball handling that slows down a D-Line.

 

Reason #3...poor play design. The zone runs are nice, but there are two things about Gruden's running attack that bug me.

 

1. He keeps leaving the backside pursuit un-blocked, and that is often the guy that gets the first hit on Morris when he cuts back.Why is he not bringing a TE back across to chop that guy? Maybe its because none of the TE's are very good blockers. He also does it on naked bootlegs...why?...at least chip that guy. The QB should be running free on those, not running for his life.

 

2. He doesn't run enough traps. I wrote before the Seahawk game that their defense was fine tuned to stop the zone running game, so traps were necessary. I saw one trap run the entire game...and it was Morris' 2nd longest run of the game. By contrast, the Cowboys ran traps and counters all game long against the Seahawks, and they ran all over them. The one zone blocking play they ran, in the 4th quarter was their longest run of the day because the D was shell-shocked from all the traps. I have no idea why Gruden kept slamming Morris' head against the wall like that.

 

So, all season long, I've seen TE's totally miss blocks, RBs fail to pick up blitzes, Lich call the wrong adjustment, and these things lead to TFLs and sacks. I really haven't seen many cases where the linemen just fail to do their job.

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why not recreate the Hogs?  I'll let you in on a secret; he has. In terms of how they were built, if not success

 

Mark May: 1st rounder; Russ Grimm: 3rd rounder; Joe Jacoby, Jeff Bostic, undrafted; George Starke, aging low round pick; Ken Huff, Jim Lachey, trades; Raleigh McKenzie, Ed Simmons, Mark Schlereth, young low round draft picks.

 

The Skins used very few high draft picks to form the Hogs, in fact once the core of the team was formed in the 81 and 83 drafts the Redskins mostly restocked with low round picks, trades (that took many of the higher round picks) and then Plan B free agency

 

See when I say hogs this is what I mean. Not just the line, but a commitment to scouting, trades that gives us depth, and key free agents.  Since 1999  Snyder's regime has drafted 12 offensive line men...12!  From 1980 t0 91 we drafted 19 offensive linemen.  That is offensive. No direction.  I hate seeing other teams win with our formula.  We kept our draft picks, traded for depth, and brought in good free agents.  We didn't go 16-0, but it works for everyone but us.  And for the life of me I don't understand Dan. I always felt he would mature when he got some hair on his chest and learn the game. But we are doing what bad franchises do. And since he is such a fan of the "Redskins" way he should know better.  Dan has me wearing a paper bag over my head like it's halloween all year long.

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