shangster Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Back in '11, I was kind if jealous of Panthers fans as Cam just had the best rookie season ever. Satisfied or not, I think they will be stucked with Cam for two more years.After watching the Panthers vs Cardinals game last Sunday, I don't think Cam would ever live up to his potential, whatever it may be. Sure, there were dropped passes, but he's still playing like he's a rookie. Still inacurrate, poor footwork and bad decision makings when he's being pressured.His only good game came vs the Giants, but then again, who doesn't want to play against the Giants this season?Maybe it's the coaching staff, play callings, and talents surrounding him, but so far I see nothing special from him. He's so supposed to be a difference maker, but for now he's just another guy in their huddle.I look at our Bob and the physical disadvantages he has to overcome so far this season, Cam's performances aren't even close to our QB. EDIT: Whoops, guess I gotta update my post. I said that Cam is a super-teaser QB, he sure proved me wrong these past 6 weeks by playing amazing against mediocre teams and coming up big against top teams. Congratz to the Panthers Nation. They now got a keeper in Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think management is a big issue over there. Not sure what Cam has to work with at receiver. Also, he struck me (and still does, evidenced by his play) as a guy that wasn't willing to put in the amount of time and dedication necessary to be a great NFL QB. I thought his attitude was poor last year as well. At the end of the day, it's never any one thing, but it's pretty clear that he's not going to be their QB for much longer. I think the Panthers will save face and try to bring in an offensive HC after this season. That franchise is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It really is amazing that Cam hasn't progressed more. He went from being "the future of the NFL" to practically irrelevant in less than 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It really is amazing that Cam hasn't progressed more. He went from being "the future of the NFL" to practically irrelevant in less than 2 years. 2011 may have been the worse thing that could've happened to him. I expected him to be a project coming out of college, that (if he was dedicated) would eventually be a good QB. Then he explodes onto the scene, and follows through on his "Cam Newton Brand" comments that he was making coming out of Auburn. Seemed like he was starting to play well towards the end of last year though, but apparently he couldn't build off of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Cam's best two games of his career? His first two in the league. That's an amazing stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shangster Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Last Sunday was the most umimpressive 300 yards performance I've seen so far this season. I understand that Carolina hasn't surround him with an ideal supporting casts, and their coaching staff are officially done after this season, but he hasn't progressed or stand out as a player. Now that I think about it, his 2011 rookie season wasn't as impressive as I thought. Obviously, he has the talent, if not he wouldn't put up the numbers he did. Keep in mind, he was the "first" of the "read-option" QB. Defenses never faced someone like him before, in additional to the fact that he was a freak of nature physically, it was hard to stop him in the red zone and getting a lot of yards. Two seasons later, defenses are now more prepared for the read option than thy did in '11, and now Cam is struggling because he just doesn't have the intangibles -- ala Russell Wilson -- to overcome his team's shortcoming. I still think that if they surround him with a good supporting casts and the correct coaching staff, he can be a long term solution. But will he be "special", I'd say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shangster Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 2011 may have been the worse thing that could've happened to him. I expected him to be a project coming out of college, that (if he was dedicated) would eventually be a good QB. Then he explodes onto the scene, and follows through on his "Cam Newton Brand" comments that he was making coming out of Auburn. Seemed like he was starting to play well towards the end of last year though, but apparently he couldn't build off of that. With the way the league is now, 4k passing yards is like 3k back in the 90's and early '00s. Geno Smith is easily on pace to pass for over 4k yards. RG3, with his bum knee and all, is on pace for 5k. The most impressive stat from Newton's rookie year was his total amount of 35 TDs, not his total yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Dude has had next to nothing to work with in the league - weapons, coaching, etc. He would draw a 1st rnd pick as trade bait from at least 10 teams in a new york minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 So basically your assessment of Cam is based on the Cardinals game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shangster Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Its actually based on his last season's performance and the cardinals game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Based on what I saw in college, I thought the guy would be a total bust. After his rookie year, I felt like an idiot for having boldly declared as much. Since then, I'm thinking he's slowly headed towards journeyman status. Steve Smith made some incredible catches Cam's rookie season. Reminds me a bit of Duante Culpepper or Matt Cassel looking great their first year starting because they're throwing deep balls to Randy Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyron Biggums Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think Cams's Offensive coaches have no idea how to put him the best situations for his style of play for one. Secondly He really seems to lack leadership qualities that the panthers really need. IMHO. If I ran the Panthers I would hire a read option coach out of the college ranks to run the O. Then send Cam to a sports psychologist. Draft some good WRs, and feature Deangleo Williams ala the way the KC uses Jamaal Charles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gymratfwp Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's hard to do much when your receivers can't catch, you have an OLine consisting of a bunch of wet noodles, and a head coach that can't figure out how to call a close game right...do I think that Cam will be one of the top QB's in this league? Not at this point and time, but I wouldn't relegate him to the basement of QB's in this league just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Last Sunday was the most umimpressive 300 yards performance I've seen so far this season. I understand that Carolina hasn't surround him with an ideal supporting casts, and their coaching staff are officially done after this season, but he hasn't progressed or stand out as a player. Now that I think about it, his 2011 rookie season wasn't as impressive as I thought. Obviously, he has the talent, if not he wouldn't put up the numbers he did. Keep in mind, he was the "first" of the "read-option" QB. Defenses never faced someone like him before, in additional to the fact that he was a freak of nature physically, it was hard to stop him in the red zone and getting a lot of yards. Two seasons later, defenses are now more prepared for the read option than thy did in '11, and now Cam is struggling because he just doesn't have the intangibles -- ala Russell Wilson -- to overcome his team's shortcoming. I still think that if they surround him with a good supporting casts and the correct coaching staff, he can be a long term solution. But will he be "special", I'd say no. lmao really? What shortcomings does Russell Wilson have to overcome? He's on one of the most stacked teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Taze Me Bro Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Scam Newton has all the talent in the world but no heart, no leadership. They have one WR worth a ****, a solid TE and two stud RBs, why they dont run them, is beyond me... Guy can do it all, but I think the play calling, lack of WR talent and abandoning the running game is hurting his development. If he is the primary run threat now, well teams have an answer to the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shangster Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 lmao really? What shortcomings does Russell Wilson have to overcome? He's on one of the most stacked teams in the league. His height is (or rather was) a huge detriment. And regarding his supporting casts being better than the rest of the young starting QBs is irrelevant. He wasn't even drafted in the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I never trust these young athletic QBs to continue to produce after their first season or so. Teams throw them into the fire and they rely on their legs to make plays and pick up bad habits in doing so. They tend to be able to make the plays in the beginning, but then the defenses adjust to their little wrinkle and they QB lacks the fundamentals to make his own adjustment from there. It may not be glamorous, but I think they'd be better suited long-term to be forced to learn how to play as a pocket-QB. From there, they can use their legs as an extra tool at their disposal instead of the only tool in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 This is something new I'm trying around here... What do you see, mechanically, that makes you believe that you were wrong in your original assessment of Cam Newton? Please don't talk about statistics without context and specific examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 He had a bad game sunday, but that organization is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Cam Newton is a joke. He is 14-22 as a starter. Luck, drafted a year later, is 15-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 What if Cam Newton was playing for the 49ers? What do we think his record would be then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 ^ No doubt Cam would have a better record if he played on a team with great defense, but he still needs to show more improvement. I think everybody expected the Panthers to be serious contenders by this point. Cam has had his share of good games, but he hasn't elevated his team to the level that it looked like he was going to initially. They went 6-10 his rookie year, which was a big improvement, but 2 years later they still look like that kind of team and Cam more or less looks like the same QB. Sam Bradford is in a similar boat. Meanwhile several other young QBs in the last few years have not only looked impressive from an individual standpoint, but immediately elevated their teams. Off the top of my head, Ryan, RG3, Luck, Wilson, Dalton, and Flacco were all drafted by teams coming off sub-.500 seasons, and they all took their teams to the playoffs their rookie year. (Sanchez too but...LOL)They also seem to have genuinely improved their teams. The bar for young QBs is higher than ever and Cam isn't quite hitting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think everybody expected the Panthers to be serious contenders by this point.those that have a brain never expected this. That team sucks. Look at their WRs and RBs. Defense is poor too, and they got a rockhead coach in Mike Rivera. Dave Shula is their offensive coordinator as well. How did this guy get that job? Im not saying Cam is blameless, but no one is making miracles out of that team. and comparing dude to Luck? Luck's team has talent at WR. Offensive line stinks and their run game is mediocre, but they got receivers. Their defense is solid too, and they have a good organization structure. I have no idea why people type stuff like that as if it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 This is something new I'm trying around here... What do you see, mechanically, that makes you believe that you were wrong in your original assessment of Cam Newton? Please don't talk about statistics without context and specific examples. I see what you did there :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I see what you did there :-) Please do tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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