2024 Rookie camp/OTA/Training camp thread.

[redskinss]

11 minutes ago, ILikeBilly2 said:

The very next post, by KDAWG, I think gave the context.  If I read a post at 2am about EB being an average offensive coordinator, I want to be able to thumbs down without needing to post.  That is not the same as criticizing someone in person, where it is easy to add details.  

 

If there is no rule against this type of behavior, I will continue posting in the manner of my choosing.  I'm not trying to be mean, just showing disagreement, without providing details.  

 

I honestly haven't even read the part of the thread where this came into play I'm just giving my general opinion on the thumbs down emoji.

 

There are some posters who in the past have just thumbs down bombed everything and it's a little obnoxious. 

 

Some people also use it to indicate that they don't like the content of a video and it can get kind of confusing at times because you can't figure out if they agree that the video is bad because they gave thumbs down or if they like the video and are giving you a thumbs down because you criticized it.

 

I agree it's a tool that can be useful but I also think it should be used sparingly otherwise the user can come off very trollish. 

 

[LetMeSeeYourWarFace21]

 

[kingdaddy]

11 minutes ago, LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 said:

 

Something looks off with Daniels, unless that's Chase Daniels? Or maybe it's Tress wearing Jayden's jersey as part of the number transaction they made? 

[MartinC]

15 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Something looks off with Daniels, unless that's Chase Daniels? Or maybe it's Tress wearing Jayden's jersey as part of the number transaction they made? 

Im more concerned that Ron Rivera is still the HC …

[FootballZombie]

5 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Im more concerned that Ron Rivera is still the HC …

 

Them madden updates get lazier every year...

[RVAskins]

It was so weird seeing RR on the sidelines. He also looked engaged instead of standing there with his arms crossed. Madden needs to fix this ASAP.

[Starry Plough]

36 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Something looks off with Daniels

It isn’t his elbow so that’s something. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Just now, RVAskins said:

It was so weird seeing RR on the sidelines

Thought that too. 🤣

[Chump Bailey]

2 hours ago, ILikeBilly2 said:

My thumbs down was on your post saying Wylie is average and the line last year was average.  And the fans were just protecting Howell.  The next post disagreed and I felt no need to repeat what has been said sooooo many times.

 

I totally disagree with your take.

 

[Going Commando]

4 hours ago, ILikeBilly2 said:

My thumbs down was on your post saying Wylie is average and the line last year was average.  And the fans were just protecting Howell.  The next post disagreed and I felt no need to repeat what has been said sooooo many times.

 

I totally disagree with your take.  Again, it would be repetitive to give the details.

 

Your post that I quoted above is aggressive and if "it is" was changed to "you are", I suspect you would have received a suspension.  

 

Following the logic of your post, you must also be against drive by thumbs up and heart emojis.  Is it " useless" to give a quote a thumbs up without a follow up comment?  Seems ridiculous to me.

 

KDawg's post following mine wasn't a rebuttal.  He just repeated a contradictory assertion and didn't really engage with any of the arguments I made.  That's fine, I understand his opinions and his take.  And that left plenty of room in the discussion for an actual argument for demonstrating how Wylie was garbage if you or anyone else who disagreed with me had bothered to make one.  I welcome that kind of disagreement, this place would be boring otherwise.  Just adding a negative reaction while generating no actual content is lazy, reddit-caliber bottom tier participation.  Again, it's worse than useless because all it does is piss me off, and I'm the one who actually took the time to write something out.  I don't care if someone agrees with a post via reaction and says nothing more.  Plenty of times there is nothing more to add.  But if you disagree with something, then either make your case or move on.

[clskinsfan]

Who knew people actually looked at thumbs down's....Err whatever you call them. I am usually so hammered when I am on this site that I dont even notice that stuff.

[clskinsfan]

Dammit. I see what you did there spjunkies. Now I will never not see them. Damn all of you!

[RandyHolt]

23 hours ago, Chump Bailey said:

AUSTIN EKELER & BRIAN ROBINSON HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE ONE OF THE BEST RUNNING BACK DUOS IN THE NFL

 

https://atozsports.com/washington/commanders-austin-ekeler-brian-robinson-best-running-back-duo/

Ekeler and Robinson are a great fit and have the potential to be a lethal duo

It's due to the fact that both players bring a different running style/game to the table at different sizes. Ekeler is the smaller, quicker back at 5-foot-10, 200-pounds and Robinson is listed at 6-foot-1, 228-pounds. 

The key with both, though, as explained earlier, is they can catch the ball. That will keep defenses honest when either on the field. It won't be like a, let's say, Derrick Henery-Tyjae Spears deal where the chances of a run increase exponentially when Henry is on the field due to his lack of effectiveness in both pass pro and as a receiver.

 

PLAGARISM!  Happy to hear I am not crazy.  Robinson's emergence as a solid pass catching option IS a story. I always to go back to my annoyance with Perine asked to run full back dives every play by Jay only to be released and be a solid blocker and 3rd down back kicking Mixon an all down stud to the sideline. Because of his impressive girth he was typecast and the label stuck 👎 until he went to a functional organization. And super bowl me: is that Perine out there on their first drive??  Perine may be the least physical 240lb back ever. I remember seeing Perine as a rookie making a tough sideline catch and I knew he had to have some potential. He proved a 3rd down back didnt need to be tiny yet OCs have been banging their heads on the wall because their home run back couldnt pass pro for decades.  Robinson can play on all downs dammit and I'm here on that hill all day. OCs finally figured out to just let the scat backs run on 1st instead of get run over in PP on 3rd and long. Achane was born and the trend took the league by storm. But those guys get injured, predictably.

 

There is just something wrong about trotting your best player off the field because its 3rd and 5. A small victory for the D.

 

I heard that both Robinson and Rodriquez both bulked up this offseason but I am not sure I remember the tweet correctly. For the sake of my blind homerism when constructing Commander heavy fantasy rosters, I hope we dont have a 3rd headed backfield.

Edited May 19 by RandyHolt

[Chump Bailey]

4 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

I hope we dont have a 3rd headed backfield

Me neither. I expect Kingsbury to use B Rob much like he did James Connor & Ekeler a souped-up version of Edwards in the pass game. I do not want a predictable offense or defense. So tired of that. 

[bird_1972]

5 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

PLAGARISM!  Happy to hear I am not crazy.  Robinson's emergence as a solid pass catching option IS a story. I always to go back to my annoyance with Perine asked to run full back dives every play by Jay only to be released and be a solid blocker and 3rd down back kicking Mixon an all down stud to the sideline. Because of his impressive girth he was typecast and the label stuck 👎 until he went to a functional organization. And super bowl me: is that Perine out there on their first drive??  Perine may be the least physical 240lb back ever. I remember seeing Perine as a rookie making a tough sideline catch and I knew he had to have some potential. He proved a 3rd down back didnt need to be tiny yet OCs have been banging their heads on the wall because their home run back couldnt pass pro for decades.  Robinson can play on all downs dammit and I'm here on that hill all day. OCs finally figured out to just let the scat backs run on 1st instead of get run over in PP on 3rd and long. Achane was born and the trend took the league by storm. But those guys get injured, predictably.

 

There is just something wrong about trotting your best player off the field because its 3rd and 5. A small victory for the D.

 

I heard that both Robinson and Rodriquez both bulked up this offseason but I am not sure I remember the tweet correctly. For the sake of my blind homerism when constructing Commander heavy fantasy rosters, I hope we dont have a 3rd headed backfield.

 

Maybe this reveals my lack of football strategic acumen but what's so bad about featuring BRob with CRod spelling him and then Ekeler in 3rd down situations? Sorta makes sense to me.

 

🤷‍♂️

[FuriousD]

5 hours ago, RandyHolt said:

Robinson can play on all downs dammit and I'm here on that hill all day. OCs finally figured out to just let the scat backs run on 1st instead of get run over in PP on 3rd and long. Achane was born and the trend took the league by storm. But those guys get injured, predictably.

 

There is just something wrong about trotting your best player off the field because its 3rd and 5. A small victory for the D.

It’s a numbers game.. Can Robinson play all three downs? Probably.. Should he play all three downs consistently? No.
 

 It’s a long season and we need him in the best shape possible come December. Not in traction!

[RandyHolt]

20 hours ago, bird_1972 said:

 

Maybe this reveals my lack of football strategic acumen but what's so bad about featuring BRob with CRod spelling him and then Ekeler in 3rd down situations? Sorta makes sense to me.

 

🤷‍♂️

Ill spit ball some theories.  Play your best RBs the most. Which includes Ekeler > CRod for me for now.

 

Trot Robinson off if he is gassed say after a 60 yard run, or is ineffective. Don't change for the sake of change. Why don't teams rotate OL every drive, or QBs? Plenty of backs used to say they need reps to maximize their effectiveness. Wear down a D or learn and beat tendencies get warmed up whatever it is but an ice cold player is just that. Save using your backup for when they are truly needed. 

 

We often hear the word rhythm used when talking about an offense being effective. Stopping to rotate out players kills rhythm. 

 

Teams often keep their true RB handcuff on the sideline to guarantee they have a fresh back for the next week - we all know that position ages the worst. Spears was never the handcuff for the King. If Henry went down next week Spears would still be the 3rd down back and a D'onta Foreman type Prince Pollard will be anointed. I am saving CRod as my injury backup.  I don't recall many teams featuring an effective 3 head backfield in recent memory. I remember the Giants Thunder Lightning and drizzle?? probably 20 years ago but not many others.  CRod or Nichols can get mop up duty on those days we are winning big and want to just wind down the clock but dont want to run Robinson/AE into the ground to do that. #30CarriesorBustBet

 

Again those are just my personal theories and preferences.

 

On a side note it will be nice to not have a coach that concedes victory as early as we saw Ron do at times. Running out the clock on himself. 

 

Edited May 20 by RandyHolt

[RandyHolt]

22 hours ago, FuriousD said:

It’s a numbers game.. Can Robinson play all three downs? Probably.. Should he play all three downs consistently? No.
 

 It’s a long season and we need him in the best shape possible come December. Not in traction!

I agree, but here is a counter point. No matter how many carries a stud starter RB gets, he is still facing hitting a career slowing brick wall at 28.  Why worry about BRob at age 29? OK so we can focus on saving him for week say 16-18. I really think that is micromanaging a world class athlete. Its all about durability and coaches recognizing and managing those injuries. Ask BRob how he is after every game. If the season is in the crapper, working him heavy not leading us to glory, dial him back later on. Why etch the plan in stone in May? When all it takes is seeing him taking a few monster hits and deciding on the fly to call in Rod in the 2nd quarter of week 3.

 

IMO all RB1s are cut from the cloth that they can take the abuse of 20 carries, otherwise they wouldn't be RBs. Again running out the clock on the opposition - 100% sit that featured back and get your #3/handcuff or maybe better yet IMO #4 true mop up work.

 

I picked a year out of a hat to look at. In the year 2000 21 RBs logged ~250 carries and of course took countless other hits taking on blitzers or after receptions. In 2023 that number is 8 (spread out over more games and longer season), so I see the trend is there and admit Quinn may be prioritizing the long term heath of his RB1 but to me its a game by game evaluation, after doing some loose projections of how many carries he plans RB1 to have.  If he thinks we are logging 30 carries a game by RBs, vs going pass happy, those decisions decide how much work a run first RB gets.

 

If coaches designed their offense around protecting the health of their RB1, it should be a pass first league. Rule changes have encouraged more passing for sure skewing the 250 carry count - which should point to coaches NOT needing to worry about RB1s workload. At all.

Edited May 20 by RandyHolt

[Going Commando]

Running back attempts going down is about efficiency more than health.  It's more efficient to move the ball through the air, and scoring is up compared to the early 2000's even though special teams scoring is way down because of the changes to the return game and extra points.

 

Teams use the pass to set up their run game now.  If you run everything from behind center and run on first and second downs, you're making it easy on a defense by letting them stay big and defend only a small part of the field.  When you run a shotgun spread as the foundation of your offense, you add a ton of horizontal space to your field, force the defense to go small to match up, and then force those small defenders into conflicts and make life hard on them as tacklers.  Now you can run from shotgun against light boxes or treat short passes as handoffs, but that necessarily means RB carries will be way down.

 

Spelling skill players isn't just about managing their touches to preserve health.  It's about maximizing their effectiveness via strategic resting.  They are getting fatigued on plays where they don't touch the ball, and they run harder when they are fresh.  Teams would absolutely rotate OLs if it was more effective to play them that way.  But it isn't.  It's a position that isn't as fatiguing as playing defense or running the ball/running routes, and no other group plays with anywhere near the same amount of coordination as every OL has to.  You can rush the passer and beat the blocks in front of you via your own effort entirely, but OLs have to work together to get a hat on every hat.  Rotating them would destroy their continuity and ability to work together.  You see it happen all of the time after injuries force OL subs mid-game.

[ILikeBilly2]

Is today's OTA closed to reporters?  There have been zero updates from camp.

[Skinsinparadise]

 

 

[Chump Bailey]

Too bad we cannot swap Dyami Brown for the Dolphins Erik Ezukanma at the same time.

[Warhead36]

18 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

Too bad we cannot swap Dyami Brown for the Dolphins Erik Ezukanma at the same time.

I'd swap Dyami Brown for Eric Estrada at this point

[Simmsy]

4 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I'd swap Dyami Brown for Eric Estrada at this point

 

He caught some balls from Wentz, maybe Ron was on to something.

[redskinss]

4 hours ago, Chump Bailey said:

Too bad we cannot swap Dyami Brown for the Dolphins Erik Ezukanma at the same time.

Wouldn't you rather get a cheese pizza?

 

In two years this guy has 1 catch for 3 yards.

 

What is it about him that you find interesting?

[CommanderInTheRye]

On 5/18/2024 at 6:20 PM, clskinsfan said:

Who knew people actually looked at thumbs down's....Err whatever you call them. I am usually so hammered when I am on this site that I dont even notice that stuff.

 

Congratulations @clskinsfan!!!

 

With the trophy emoji I just gave you, the post quoted above now officially enters the "Extremeskins Hall of Fame" as you have become the 24th member to get all 7 emojis in a single post.

 

You have now achieved forum immortality, and you are entitled to all the rights, privileges, and duties of a certified Hall of Fame member.

 

Your bronze bust will be hand delivered by Wells Fargo armed escorts next month.

 

As the member who made the hockey assist that got you there, I also will gain a small inkling of immortality as a footnote to your marvelous achievement.

 

We are now linked forever.

 

"Live long and prosper."

 

 

Edited May 21 by CommanderInTheRye