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Going Commando

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6 minutes ago, Drfustercluck said:

 

I did also want to mention I was very impressed with Chris Rodriguez Jr. We actually have a scary group of rbs that, if running behind a competent OL, could surprise the NFL. 

 

Yeah looked good.  I'm not sure I would call out RBs scary, but I do call them good.  I was watching Jahmyr Gibbs last night, and you could feel the fear when he caught the ball.  That Giants D learned to fear him over the course of the week.  That's the kind of speed necessary to put fear into defenses.

 

On the whole, I would say our skill position players are basically all good from first to third string, but none of them are truly dominant.  I'd rather have 6 good receivers than one dominant one and a bunch of weak players any day of the week though.

 

One of the hardest personnel decisions the coaches are facing is who to keep for that sixth receiver spot.  Top four are locked in, five needs to be Pringle, so Allen, Kemp, Tinsley and Milne are a dog fight for the final spot.  Allen looks the most useful to me, but they are going to want Kemp's size and Milne's hands too.

 

They're going to have to make a choice between keeping 10 or 11 DLs too.  Gonna be really tempting to keep 11 so they can keep Andre Jones on the 53 man roster.  It should be fine to do that since they're probably only going to keep four linebackers.

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13 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

On the whole, I would say our skill position players are basically all good from first to third string, but none of them are truly dominant.  I'd rather have 6 good receivers than one dominant one and a bunch of weak players any day of the week though.

Definitely agree with the running backs, also agree with the wide receivers but I think mclaurin is flirting with truly dominant and I  believe dotson is too and both could cross that threshold possibly even this year with good quarterback play.

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11 hours ago, Simmsy said:

Game started out pretty iffy, the offense needs some work, but I think they can score points. Defense might have to carry some extra weight for a bit. I had a surprising amount of fun watching this game.

 

The offense definitely needs work.  Was the first success on our 3rd possession AFTER the first string defensive line of the Browns went to the bench?

 

Washington's first string defensive line needs some work too. TV announced 4 first round draft picks the we watched as the line was repeatedly gashed up the middle.  No sacks.  Why were they lining up 2 wide right and left with the middle empty.  They couldn't get off their blocks either.  I expect better.  They need to be dominant.  

 

DBs as a group were excellent.  Better tackling than I can remember in the last 20+ years.  Quality guys on 3rd string.  Team did a good job developing talent.  But, a good GM would find a way to trade value for value instead of having to let everyone go.  Not impressed with the hyped starting DEs.  The production isn't there.  If you offered me a trade for a high quality OL or TE, I would take it in a heartbeat

 

 

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2 hours ago, Panninho said:

I think he looked good. As did Cosmi upon further inspection. I think he can be a really good G for us. 

 

Thanks for posting this.  The blocking mistakes look like a missed stunt on the safety from Leno and Paul, a missed screen block from Gates on the pass to Robinson on second and long, three inside pressures given up by Wylie on counters, a zone blitz that didn't get picked up by Howell pre-snap, and a blown block by Cosmi on that second down run from the end zone where he fell off and BRob had to deal with that DL and thus couldn't make the strong side linebacker miss.  That last one wasn't a great playcall in the situation.

 

It was a lot of errors on those two drives, but they can clean them up.  They looked better on the third drive, and the playcalling was good for that sequence.

 

I actually feel better about Chris Paul's game watching those snaps again.  The run blocking talent is there with him.  Once he gets a handle on all of the protection nuances he's going to see, he can be a good player.

 

Bates is a good player too.  Genuinely talented run blocker, and I thought he had a nice game outside of the one dropped pass.

 

I think that third drive tempo was good, the playcalling was good, and Sam showed some creativity, as well as patience and vision.  He had a nice game and we're still going to be able to throw the ball downfield this year because of his athleticism.

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Cosmi is a stud at guard. Straight stud. Leno is a solid starter, nothing special. Paul is our LG and I feel really good about it. 

 

Gates was meh, but serviceable. Still not convinced he's better than Larson.

 

Wylie could be replaced with a very heavy trash can and it probably wouldn't have cost us 2 points.

 

Sam Howell is our QB1 zero doubt. He can make every throw and every play has a chance to be special. 

 

Dotson and the rest of our WRs are awesome, so are our RBs. 

 

I'm more than comfortable with Turner and Bates at TE.

 

Defense, did any of our LBers play? I love the whole 5-1-5 and all, but you still need a LBer who is good.

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5 hours ago, Going Commando said:

 

Yeah looked good.  I'm not sure I would call out RBs scary, but I do call them good.  I was watching Jahmyr Gibbs last night, and you could feel the fear when he caught the ball.  That Giants D learned to fear him over the course of the week.  That's the kind of speed necessary to put fear into defenses.

 

On the whole, I would say our skill position players are basically all good from first to third string, but none of them are truly dominant.  I'd rather have 6 good receivers than one dominant one and a bunch of weak players any day of the week though.

 

One of the hardest personnel decisions the coaches are facing is who to keep for that sixth receiver spot.  Top four are locked in, five needs to be Pringle, so Allen, Kemp, Tinsley and Milne are a dog fight for the final spot.  Allen looks the most useful to me, but they are going to want Kemp's size and Milne's hands too.

 

They're going to have to make a choice between keeping 10 or 11 DLs too.  Gonna be really tempting to keep 11 so they can keep Andre Jones on the 53 man roster.  It should be fine to do that since they're probably only going to keep four linebackers.

 

Allen needs to make this team as the return specialist. 

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5 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 

Allen needs to make this team as the return specialist. 

I wouldn’t say that.  Kickoffs have basically been legislatively taken away by the NFL.  Just always fair catch it inside the 25.  Pringle can return punts too.  Keeping Allen means dedicating a roster spot for one specific play.  5 WR are active at least on game day.  Allen cannot play special teams coverage as a gunner.  Kemp has that advantage over him.  

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1 minute ago, mhd24 said:

I wouldn’t say that.  Kickoffs have basically been legislatively taken away by the NFL.  Just always fair catch it inside the 25.  Pringle can return punts too.  Keeping Allen means dedicating a roster spot for one specific play.  5 WR are active at least on game day.  Allen cannot play special teams coverage as a gunner.  Kemp has that advantage over him.  

He showed more burst on kickoffs and punt returns than we have seen for years. He needs to show he can be the 5th WR and run some routes, catch some screens if needed but he’s making my 53 right now.

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5 hours ago, zCommander said:

 

 

I think Howell played well, but that throw wasn't terrific.  Granted, Leno (I think) was being pushed back into his lap, but if that ball was laid out closer to the sideline to allow Dotson to run through it, I don't know if anybody touches him on the way into the endzone.  Howell probably missed the ideal target by 3 yards.

 

The good news is, the play design was outstanding and the receiver was so far open it didn't mater the throw was off.  

 

Being able to not be "perfect' at QB is really a great help. 

 

Hell, it's probably the only reason we had positive pass yards when REDACTED was playing the last 2 years, so our guys are very used to it.

 

But if we can limit the "not have to be perfect" to not 100% of pass attempts, it will be damn helpful. :)

 

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Wait… are we trying to spin that the OL wasn’t that bad last night? 
 

They couldn’t pick up pressures to save their lives. They are slow footed and plodding.

 

Cosmi is an animal in run blocking. He’s decent in pass pro. If he’s healthy he’s far from a problem. He’s actually a good NFL guard. Leno is a good NFL tackle. After that we are meh to horrid.

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36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Cosmi is a stud at guard. Straight stud. Leno is a solid starter, nothing special. Paul is our LG and I feel really good about it. 

I think he's going to transition well also.  

 

36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Gates was meh, but serviceable. Still not convinced he's better than Larson.

Well, the good news is they have Larson.  If Gates gets blown up a lot, they can go to Larson.  There are some folks who say it's going to be tough to keep Larson on the roster.  I think that's absolute sheer madness.  

 

36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Wylie could be replaced with a very heavy trash can and it probably wouldn't have cost us 2 points.

If he continues to struggle like he did, watch for Lucas to start getting reps with the 1's.  The biggest issue with Lucas is he seems to wear down. Lucas is quietly a very good safety net at tackle.  He's not Anthony Munoz or anything.  But he can go play a bit and be ok.  

 

36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Sam Howell is our QB1 zero doubt. He can make every throw and every play has a chance to be special. 

I still want to seem him play a few more regular season games before making a final determination.  But between the Dallas game last year and this preseason game, his career is off to a pretty good start.  And it's better to have a good start than a bad start...

 

36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Dotson and the rest of our WRs are awesome, so are our RBs. 

I really think when there is a real game plan, we're going to see an offense which features a heck of a lot of creativity.  How much will they HAVE to use quick game to protect the OL?  I don't know.  But this offense is built for doing just that.  It's kindof a perfect fit, if EB can scheme it and Howell can run it, we have the skill position players to exploit it.  

 

36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I'm more than comfortable with Turner and Bates at TE.

Turner needs to stay healthy and block at least 1 person per game successfully for him to be considered a TE.  

 

36 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Defense, did any of our LBers play? I love the whole 5-1-5 and all, but you still need a LBer who is good.

They were also using a lot of bizarre formations last night.  I'm not sure we'll see any of it when it means anything.  It could just be stuff Jack drew up in a drunken stooper one night after watching re-runs of "Big Trouble in Little China."  And was like, "hey, let's try this 'cause why the hell not?"

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9 minutes ago, MartinC said:

He showed more burst on kickoffs and punt returns than we have seen for years. He needs to show he can be the 5th WR and run some routes, catch some screens if needed but he’s making my 53 right now.

Yeah, I agree with the burst.  But can we dedicate a roster spot to him when we need extra spots on the OL?  Pringle is going to be on my team over Allen every time considering his familiarity with the system and returns ability.  Allen is probably just a gadget player at best right now on offense.  Your fifth WR needs to be able to play coverage on teams and play if called upon.  That’s why Cam Sims always stayed on the roster.  He could do both.  

1 minute ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I think he's going to transition well also.  

 

Well, the good news is they have Larson.  If Gates gets blown up a lot, they can go to Larson.  There are some folks who say it's going to be tough to keep Larson on the roster.  I think that's absolute sheer madness.  

 

If he continues to struggle like he did, watch for Lucas to start getting reps with the 1's.  The biggest issue with Lucas is he seems to wear down. Lucas is quietly a very good safety net at tackle.  He's not Anthony Munoz or anything.  But he can go play a bit and be ok.  

 

I still want to seem him play a few more regular season games before making a final determination.  But between the Dallas game last year and this preseason game, his career is off to a pretty good start.  And it's better to have a good start than a bad start...

 

I really think when there is a real game plan, we're going to see an offense which features a heck of a lot of creativity.  How much will they HAVE to use quick game to protect the OL?  I don't know.  But this offense is built for doing just that.  It's kindof a perfect fit, if EB can scheme it and Howell can run it, we have the skill position players to exploit it.  

 

Turner needs to stay healthy and block at least 1 person per game successfully for him to be considered a TE.  

 

They were also using a lot of bizarre formations last night.  I'm not sure we'll see any of it when it means anything.  It could just be stuff Jack drew up in a drunken stooper one night after watching re-runs of "Big Trouble in Little China."  And was like, "hey, let's try this 'cause why the hell not?"


 

Yeah, Larsen is making my team every time.  Our season turned around last year when he got healthy and started.  It also went down the tubes when he got hurt.  Let Stromberg ease into the center role.  He can be ready next year.  How did Ricky look last night to you?

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48 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

Wylie could be replaced with a very heavy trash can and it probably wouldn't have cost us 2 points.

Ok, this had me dying. 🤣🤣🤣

 

What was really tragic to me is the way he walked off the field looking confused af. I'm hoping it's just him trying to learn a new system, but dear God was he awful against the Browns. 🤮

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10 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I think he's going to transition well also.  

 

Well, the good news is they have Larson.  If Gates gets blown up a lot, they can go to Larson.  There are some folks who say it's going to be tough to keep Larson on the roster.  I think that's absolute sheer madness.  

 

If he continues to struggle like he did, watch for Lucas to start getting reps with the 1's.  The biggest issue with Lucas is he seems to wear down. Lucas is quietly a very good safety net at tackle.  He's not Anthony Munoz or anything.  But he can go play a bit and be ok.  

 

I still want to seem him play a few more regular season games before making a final determination.  But between the Dallas game last year and this preseason game, his career is off to a pretty good start.  And it's better to have a good start than a bad start...

 

I really think when there is a real game plan, we're going to see an offense which features a heck of a lot of creativity.  How much will they HAVE to use quick game to protect the OL?  I don't know.  But this offense is built for doing just that.  It's kindof a perfect fit, if EB can scheme it and Howell can run it, we have the skill position players to exploit it.  

 

Turner needs to stay healthy and block at least 1 person per game successfully for him to be considered a TE.  

 

They were also using a lot of bizarre formations last night.  I'm not sure we'll see any of it when it means anything.  It could just be stuff Jack drew up in a drunken stooper one night after watching re-runs of "Big Trouble in Little China."  And was like, "hey, let's try this 'cause why the hell not?"

PorkChop express formation.

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20 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

They were also using a lot of bizarre formations last night.  I'm not sure we'll see any of it when it means anything.  It could just be stuff Jack drew up in a drunken stooper one night after watching re-runs of "Big Trouble in Little China."  And was like, "hey, let's try this 'cause why the hell not?"

 

I can't imagine we are planning to run a 3-4 very often.

 

Maybe they wanted tape of how to handle our limited LBs and that was the easiest way to get it?

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