Wyvern Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I still think Washington needs to upgrade its line-backing corps (at least its depth) especially after losing Holcomb in free agency. Davis is much improved, but still not any kind of elite LB'er. Now, many may not agree, but I still think Barton is a gamble -- I suspect Washington felt this was a cheap way to address the positional need and that they believe they can develop Barton into a quality 3-down starting LB'er. Even so, that's just two players for your starting LB'ers. As for the others, Eifler, Mayo and Hudson, ...they are short-term replacements and may not even be on the team should one of the practice-squadders up their game. (And I'm hoping Bostic doesn't get brought back because he always gets targeted by opponents.). It just seems like Washington doesn't consider improving its line-backing as a priority, which is odd because it didn't seem that great in 2021 or 2022. Even with the Barton contract, Washington is paying more for Kendall Fuller than they're paying for the entire line-backing corps. And it would seem that even with just a 2-LB'er scheme, (which isn't run 100% of the time) they'd be able to afford a quality 3rd LB'er (ideally a veteran) for depth and positional flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpecker Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wyvern said: I still think Washington needs to upgrade its line-backing corps (at least its depth) especially after losing Holcomb in free agency. Davis is much improved, but still not any kind of elite LB'er. Now, many may not agree, but I still think Barton is a gamble -- I suspect Washington felt this was a cheap way to address the positional need and that they believe they can develop Barton into a quality 3-down starting LB'er. Even so, that's just two players for your starting LB'ers. As for the others, Eifler, Mayo and Hudson, ...they are short-term replacements and may not even be on the team should one of the practice-squadders up their game. (And I'm hoping Bostic doesn't get brought back because he always gets targeted by opponents.). It just seems like Washington doesn't consider improving its line-backing as a priority, which is odd because it didn't seem that great in 2021 or 2022. Even with the Barton contract, Washington is paying more for Kendall Fuller than they're paying for the entire line-backing corps. And it would seem that even with just a 2-LB'er scheme, (which isn't run 100% of the time) they'd be able to afford a quality 3rd LB'er (ideally a veteran) for depth and positional flexibility. Linebacker has become the least important position on defense. It’s the place to save some money rather than jumping at expensive free agents. Same as running back on offense. Ron has a pretty good record with finding hidden gems even if not yet at linebacker. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on Barton, and whatever other lesser known guys we end up bringing it. If we are handing out another good size contract on defense, I’d like to see it be a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 LB is looking like a must in the draft, preferably rounds 3-5 IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdaddy Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 22 minutes ago, Wyvern said: I still think Washington needs to upgrade its line-backing corps (at least its depth) especially after losing Holcomb in free agency. Davis is much improved, but still not any kind of elite LB'er. Now, many may not agree, but I still think Barton is a gamble -- I suspect Washington felt this was a cheap way to address the positional need and that they believe they can develop Barton into a quality 3-down starting LB'er. Even so, that's just two players for your starting LB'ers. As for the others, Eifler, Mayo and Hudson, ...they are short-term replacements and may not even be on the team should one of the practice-squadders up their game. (And I'm hoping Bostic doesn't get brought back because he always gets targeted by opponents.). It just seems like Washington doesn't consider improving its line-backing as a priority, which is odd because it didn't seem that great in 2021 or 2022. Even with the Barton contract, Washington is paying more for Kendall Fuller than they're paying for the entire line-backing corps. And it would seem that even with just a 2-LB'er scheme, (which isn't run 100% of the time) they'd be able to afford a quality 3rd LB'er (ideally a veteran) for depth and positional flexibility. They did re-sign Hudson and Mayo, do they plan on using them more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: LB is looking like a must in the draft, preferably rounds 3-5 IMO. I completely agree. A LBer that is a good pass rusher. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Koolblue13 said: I completely agree. A LBer that is a good pass rusher. Yep I need to revisit the draft prospects. Don’t see the point in us bringing in another low to mid tier FA, we’ve got enough of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: I completely agree. A LBer that is a good pass rusher. Sounds like Micah Parsons. I want less Micah Parsons and more Ray Lewis. I want that stud running the middle of the defense. I am looking at Jack Campbell early or maybe a Henry Too'too mid rounds. Edited March 16, 2023 by CommandB11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, CommandB11 said: Sounds like Micah Parsons. I want less Micah Parsons and more Ray Lewis. I want that stud running the middle of the defense. You don't want a LBer that was runner up to DPotY last year and want one who is the prototypical LBer for defenses 25 years ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommandB11 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said: You don't want a LBer that was runner up to DPotY last year and want one who is the prototypical LBer for defenses 25 years ago? Partially yes. Between our Dline and players like Jamin at LB, we should have a pretty good pass rush. We need the guy putting everyone in place presnap and flowing to the ball anywhere on the field. I would love to find a guy that plays like Reuben Foster did at Alabama. He was a heat seeking missile from the middle of the field. Edited March 16, 2023 by CommandB11 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Est.1974 said: Yep I need to revisit the draft prospects. Don’t see the point in us bringing in another low to mid tier FA, we’ve got enough of them. I like Overshown and Herbig in the 4rth. Hampton is worth a day 3 flyer too. Maybe Winters, but he's small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, CommandB11 said: Sounds like Micah Parsons. I want less Micah Parsons and more Ray Lewis. I want that stud running the middle of the defense. I am looking at Jack Campbell early or maybe a Henry Too'too mid rounds. I'd love Campbell. But if you want a pass rusher type it isn't him. Ivan Pace, Henley, Herbig, Andre Carter (more DE but same mold), Trenton Simpson (also excels at coverage), Drew Sanders, Nolan Smith, Overshown are the guys more in that mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballZombie Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I didn't see it here yesterday but it looks like QB PJ Walker signed w/ the Bears. The Chiefs also knocked off like 10Mil from Mahomie's cap hit this year. Kyle Allen signed with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, CommandB11 said: Partially yes. Between our Dline and players like Jamin at LB, we should have a pretty good pass rush. We need the guy putting everyone in place presnap and flowing to the ball anywhere on the field. I would love to find a guy that plays like Reuben Foster did at Alabama. He was a heat seeking missile from the middle of the field. I agree with this. We have a D-line that is fierce enough to get at the opposing QB. Jamin has the speed to get down field if needed. We need a London Fletcher (boo to ray lewis as an example, I don't like me some rat birds). Edited March 16, 2023 by Tress Is The Way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tress Is The Way said: I agree with this. We have a D-line that is fierce enough to get at the opposing QB. Jamin has the speed to get down field if needed. We need a London Fletcher (boo to ray lewis as an example, I don't like me some rat birds). We need a guy who plays the run like a MIKE but plays the pass like a SAM or more modern like a strong safety. Campbell is that. Fletcher actually fits that, too. He was ahead of his time as a LB in this League and its why he played so well for so long. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always A Commander Never A Captain Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, kingdaddy said: They did re-sign Hudson and Mayo, do they plan on using them more? That's more of a special teams move than shoring up LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, CommandB11 said: Sounds like Micah Parsons. I want less Micah Parsons and more Ray Lewis. I want that stud running the middle of the defense. Those kinds of LBs are starting to become obsolete in today's NFL. Its more important to have smaller faster guys who can cover. Almost everyone's offense is 3 WR base now which means base defenses are gonna be Nickel, requiring only two starting caliber LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 44 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, KDawg said: We need a guy who plays the run like a MIKE but plays the pass like a SAM or more modern like a strong safety. Campbell is that. Fletcher actually fits that, too. He was ahead of his time as a LB in this League and its why he played so well for so long. Which is amazing for his body type (Fletcher). Not a knock on him, but he didnt have that lean physique you would associate with a LB that could drop back in coverage like he would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyBigBeard Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Always A Commander Never A Captain said: They did re-sign Hudson and Mayo, do they plan on using them more? Well I'm done watching Mayo run around he is not a starter. They should have not let Cole walk. Now I do like Hudson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Per Over The Cap, Commanders have $8m in cap space before the Obada one year deal hits ... so unless we plan to make some moves I can't see us being much more active in FA. We'll need that $$ to pay for our draft picks and take some money into the season. Of course there are cuts we can make that will free up some change here or there, but it's not like we are flush with cash at this point to make any significant signings. A few moves can free up quite a bit of cap space if we wanted to bring someone else in. If we signed a TE like Schultz or Gesicki, you can cut Thomas. Corn Lucas could be on his way out once we draft a Tackle (or two). And if Roullier isn't going to be healthy we could cut him with a post June-1st designation. Those 3 cuts would take us to $25m which is plenty of cap to make some additional moves. I assume those cuts won't come without a corresponding move either in the draft or free agency though. Drafting a Tackle and Center in the first few rounds likely means Roullier and Lucas are expendable and those cuts would get us some solid cap space to carry forward into the season and ultimately rolled over into 2024. A lot can shake up on the OL depending on where Gates slides and what we do in the draft. If we find out Gates is our Center, then the re-signing of Larsen makes Roullier very much expendable right now. If Gates is penciled in at LG then that makes Norwell expendable, and if we drafted a Center fairly early, it makes Roullier expendable. And if we draft a RT in Round 1, Wylie could slide to LG and Gates could be our Center, in which case Lucas might not be as expendable but Roullier and Norwell would. LT Leno LG Gates, Paul OC Rookie, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Wylie, Rookie or LT Leno LG Norwell, Paul, Rookie OC Gates Larsen RG Cosmi Charles RT Wylie Rookie or LT Leno LG Wylie, Paul OC Gates, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Rookie, Lucas Edited March 16, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: Per Over The Cap, Commanders have $8m in cap space before the Obada one year deal hits ... so unless we plan to make some moves I can't see us being much more active in FA. We'll need that $$ to pay for our draft picks and take some money into the season. Of course there are cuts we can make that will free up some change here or there, but it's not like we are flush with cash at this point to make any significant signings. A few moves can free up quite a bit of cap space if we wanted to bring someone else in. If we signed a TE like Schultz or Gesicki, you can cut Thomas. Corn Lucas could be on his way out once we draft a Tackle (or two). And if Roullier isn't going to be healthy we could cut him with a post June-1st designation. Those 3 cuts would take us to $25m which is plenty of cap to make some additional moves. I assume those cuts won't come without a corresponding move either in the draft or free agency though. Drafting a Tackle and Center in the first few rounds likely means Roullier and Lucas are expendable and those cuts would get us some solid cap space to carry forward into the season and ultimately rolled over into 2024. A lot can shake up on the OL depending on where Gates slides and what we do in the draft. If we find out Gates is our Center, then the re-signing of Larsen makes Roullier very much expendable right now. If Gates is penciled in at LG then that makes Norwell expendable, and if we drafted a Center fairly early, it makes Roullier expendable. LT Leno LG Gates, Paul OC Rookie, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Wylie, Rookie or LT Leno LG Norwell, Paul, Rookie OC Gates Larsen RG Cosmi Charles RT Wylie Rookie or LT Leno LG Wylie, Paul OC Gates, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Rookie, Lucas I don’t get why everyone is so quick to cut Lucas. The guy is invaluable as a swing tackle who can play both LT and RT competently. I think folks forget that period of time between Nsekhe and Lucas. I would restructure/cut Thomas and Roullier way before Lucas 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, method man said: I don’t get why everyone is so quick to cut Lucas. The guy is invaluable as a swing tackle who can play both LT and RT competently. I think folks forget that period of time between Nsekhe and Lucas. I would restructure/cut Thomas and Roullier way before Lucas He's in the final year of his contract ($4m). And I think if we drafted a Tackle early on it makes Lucas expendable. It might not be necessary to cut him though, I'm just using him in the exercise of how we can create more space. But hypothetically, if we drafted a R1 Tackle and, say, a R4 IOL... LT Leno LG Norwell, Paul, Rookie IOL OC Gates, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Wylie, Rookie OT That's your 10 OL right there. You could cut Norwell or Charles to make room for Lucas as your 4th OT. But Charles has T/G flexibility as well, so by keeping Charles and cutting Lucas, you're still 4 deep at OT on the depth chart. Not to mention that in this hypothetical, your rookie OT is going to become your 3rd OT at worst, and you'd presume that player would be an improvement over Lucas as the backup OT. Edited March 16, 2023 by JamesMadisonSkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method man Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, JamesMadisonSkins said: He's in the final year of his contract ($4m). And I think if we drafted a Tackle early on it makes Lucas expendable. It might not be necessary to cut him though, I'm just using him in the exercise of how we can create more space. But hypothetically, if we drafted a R1 Tackle and, say, a R4 IOL... LT Leno LG Norwell, Paul, Rookie IOL OC Gates, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Wylie, Rookie OT That's your 10 OL right there. You could cut Norwell or Charles to make room for Lucas as your 4th OT. But Charles has T/G flexibility as well, so by keeping Charles and cutting Lucas, you're still 4 deep at OT on the depth chart. If they draft a tackle Rd 1, he is starting and Wylie moves inside to guard where he is a better player anyway. Lucas is your third tackle and Charles is not a tackle at the NFL level, not even a 4th tackle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, method man said: If they draft a tackle Rd 1, he is starting and Wylie moves inside to guard where he is a better player anyway. Lucas is your third tackle and Charles is not a tackle at the NFL level, not even a 4th tackle Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, method man said: If they draft a tackle Rd 1, he is starting and Wylie moves inside to guard where he is a better player anyway. Lucas is your third tackle and Charles is not a tackle at the NFL level, not even a 4th tackle Okay, I hear that. So in that hypothetical ... Rookie OT starts at RT. Lucas is the backup to him at RT. Wylie kicks to RG. Cosmi becomes your backup RT? Or does Wylie kick to LG? That relegates Gates to Center with Larsen, and now you cut Norwell and Roullier. LT Leno LG Wylie, Paul OC Gates, Larsen RG Cosmi, Charles RT Rookie RT, Lucas Norwell and a post-June 1st cut of Roullier gets you $11m in cap space this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWinzit Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, KDawg said: I'd love Campbell. But if you want a pass rusher type it isn't him. Ivan Pace, Henley, Herbig, Andre Carter (more DE but same mold), Trenton Simpson (also excels at coverage), Drew Sanders, Nolan Smith, Overshown are the guys more in that mold. Do we know if Carter will be able to defer his military obligation yet? He is very talented but I don't see him as a great fit for Washington. I still am liking Campbell and Henley over the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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