hail2skins Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 With another season of being eliminated from paloff contention, wanted to hear your thoughts on who you think has been the most disappointing coach of the Snyder era so far. Lets review in chronological order: Norv: inherited by Snyder. Made postseason first year, had the second half collapse of the Fortune 500 Skins. Marty: absolutely horrible 0-5 start but only was given one season, which will always be regarded as the biggest black mark of the Snyder era. Spurrier: two sub .500 seasons. He was lazy. Gibbs: expectations too high based on his magical first run. People are reluctant to criticize Joe at all, and we did make the postseason twice, but overall underwhelming stint. Zorn: ugh Shanny: had the one magical RG3 run at the end of 2012, but overall terrible Gruden: Snyder showed overall patience with him and he got us back to mediocrity, but there was no choice to let him go after the disastrous start to 2019. Rivera: Three years in and so far we'll have finished no better than .500 in any of his seasons. IMO, it narrows down to the coaches who had NFL head coaching experience prior to their stints here, which means Gibbs, Shanny, and Ron. Marty I won't count because, again.....one season. I'm going to have to go with Shanny, although Ron is looking a very close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csup Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 If Synder wasn't such an Ahole and didn't fire Marty after 8-8 I'm convinced the trajectory of this team would have been different. But to answer your question- Gibbs. I was most excited about his rehire and most disappointed with the results - despite his "relative" success. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 I had tremendously high hopes for the ol ball coach. Boy was he out of his league and boy was I waaaaay wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, hail2skins said: Norv: inherited by Snyder. Made postseason first year, had the second half collapse of the Fortune 500 Skins. Marty: absolutely horrible 0-5 start but only was given one season, which will always be regarded as the biggest black mark of the Snyder era. Spurrier: two sub .500 seasons. He was lazy. Gibbs: expectations too high based on his magical first run. People are reluctant to criticize Joe at all, and we did make the postseason twice, but overall underwhelming stint. Zorn: ugh Shanny: had the one magical RG3 run at the end of 2012, but overall terrible Gruden: Snyder showed overall patience with him and he got us back to mediocrity, but there was no choice to let him go after the disastrous start to 2019. Rivera: Three years in and so far we'll have finished no better than .500 in any of his seasons. Outside of Norv, who Snyder inherited, Gibbs is the only other coach on this list to win a damn playoff game. And he won 1. 1 single playoff win from Gibbs ties Norv and beats the rest of this list COMBINED. This team has had 1 playoff win since Marty was hired, and it was over 15 years ago. So anyone who wants to say Gibbs is the obvious answer based on his glory days, at least that man did SOMETHING. 2 playoff appearances and 1 playoff win in 3 years is basically this team's equivalent of a dynasty since the year 2000. Marty got shafted. Zorn should've had no expectations. Rivera has always been a more dignified Jeff Fisher who was shielded from similar criticism for so long based solely on the fact that Fisher already existed. Gruden was mediocre after inheriting a mess from Shanahan, especially at QB, so there's only so much I can hold against him. The answer to me is either Spurrier or Shanahan. Spurrier was the flashy hire by a young new owner who wanted the next big thing, but he was either too lazy or to unwilling to adjust to the NFL to succeed the way he did at the college level. Shanahan was supposed to be the adult in the room but allowed himself to get bullied by the owner and certain players. He was too cowardly in 2011 to commit to the tank job, and it cost a lot of picks in the 2012 draft to get a QB as a result. He then had 1 good season with a hot rookie QB that he then allowed to injure himself (and RG3 was never the same after that), then despite an amazing assistant coach roster (Kyle and McVay at minimum) absolutely sucked for 2 more years until he was done here. Gut reaction? Shanahan. College coaches flamed out all the time and still do, so I think Shanahan was more disappointing than Spurrier. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWilliamsAWinfield Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Csup said: If Synder wasn't such an Ahole and didn't fire Marty after 8-8 I'm convinced the trajectory of this team would have been different. But to answer your question- Gibbs. I was most excited about his rehire and most disappointed with the results - despite his "relative" success. How can Gibbs be disappointing? Sure, Gibbs was not as good as his first stint but at least Gibbs took the Redskins to the playoffs twice while the other past head coaches could not do that Edited January 2, 2023 by KWilliamsAWinfield 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csup Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, KWilliamsAWinfield said: How can Gibbs be disappointing? Sure, Gibbs was not as good as his first stint but at least Gibbs took the Redskins to the playoffs twice while the other past head coaches could not do that That's why I used the term "relative success". He was definitely the most successful coach of the Synder era. But I was more excited about his hire than any other of Synder's hires. My expectation was higher because of his prestigious past. To me, getting the last wildcard spot in the playoffs 2 years and only winning one was very disappointing. Maybe it was unfair. And in retrospect what Gibbs did under Synder and Cerrato maybe was amazing. But I expected more. After Gibbs I knew Synder was the problem and Vince Lombardi himself couldn't help this franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Csup said: And in retrospect what Gibbs did under Synder and Cerrato maybe was amazing. You can hold the view that the expectations for Gibbs were too high, while also saying that his second stint was far from amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Mexican Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, hail2skins said: With another season of being eliminated from paloff contention, wanted to hear your thoughts on who you think has been the most disappointing coach of the Snyder era so far. Lets review in chronological order: Gotta be Rivera. After the terrible stink Gruden left here Rivera was supposed to be savior, being the GM and all. But the quality results are not there. Every freakin' game is a struggle. I cannot remember ONE single victory where I relaxed during the game in the RR era. Not one. Unlike Shanny, which everyone knew lucked out with RGIII and depended 100% on his legs, RR has been a slow, painful burn into mediocrity. Stuck in second gear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Rivera because he's the only one that has coached a third season and didn't have a winning record. Shanahan got a winning record in year 3. Gruden had back to back his second and third. Gibbs had two winning seasons out of four total. Nobody else lasted more than two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 @hail2skins humble request for a poll question for your thread, not everyone that votes posts, curious.... I don't agree with Ron being the most disappointing, he's literally on par with what he was in Carolina, jus more power then he should have. Spurrier was supposed to help evolve the NFL, dude quit from Disneyland or some **** once he realized he could just send everyone out to catch and leave the QB with no extra blockers every play. That's my vote, Gibbs 2.0 a close second because of how overhyped the comeback was and the reality the game had passed him by being so crushing, then he left early, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) I don't know why but Shanahan left a horrible taste in my mouth, maybe cuz expectations were so high. I vote him. Just realized how that post sounds 🫤 Not gonna edit though 🤮 Edited January 2, 2023 by abdcskins 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Shanahan. Assembled a good offensive coaching staff for sure Not really much else tho. Players he brought in for the most part weren't very the good. Outside of Kerrigan, Trent, and Cousins who'd he bring in that worked out? Jordan Reed and Chris Thompson briefly under Gruden? He had the same problem here he had in Denver really. He couldn't assemble an NFL defense and he couldn't develop quarterbacks not named Elway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpecker Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 None of these coaches ever had a chance. Every one of them was faced with completely incompetent player acquisition and roster management by Snyder and his puppets Vinny and Bruce. Not to mention all the other organizational toxicity. But if I have to pick one I’ll go with Zorn, despite him also having the lowest expectations. The rest of these guys were at least decent coaches and could have succeeded with a good GM in place. Zorn on the other hand could not coach at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Damn I forgot to mention my most disappointing part of the Shanahan hire. Instead of getting the HoF caliber play calling of Mike we got the Sooper Bowl lead blowing Kyle. 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Command The 414 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 My answer would be everyone of them but Marty Schcottheimer, Gibbs 2 and maybe Gruden… the rest of them were a knee jerk reaction or just simply stupid… (Spurrier, Zorn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodpecker Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, KWilliamsAWinfield said: How can Gibbs be disappointing? Sure, Gibbs was not as good as his first stint but at least Gibbs took the Redskins to the playoffs twice while the other past head coaches could not do that Gibbs was at least mildly disappointing. Yes he did a good job for the most part, but expectations were for greatness. Unimaginative offense, ridiculous clock management blunders, and the famous “second half adjustments” just weren’t there the second time around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zim489 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Argue who you want but Ron is the most powerful person in the building since Marty. With power comes expectations. With expectations theres higher chance for disappointment. Its Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 I still think he is a solid coach but ultimately it is too much to overcome. I don’t think we could do better, particularly with “a pending sale”. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, Zim489 said: Argue who you want but Ron is the most powerful person in the building since Marty. Shanahan had at least as much control as both Marty and Ron. 🤷♂️ Hell he was the damn executive VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 In terms of expectations, I think you have to say Gibbs. When he was hired, people thought we would get another ring. In terms of actual results, you can say tie among Spurrier and Zorn. Neither coach should've been hired. Shanny did nothing after Elway retired, so his tenure wasn't surprising. Ron's Carolina success was due to Cam, once Cam was injured and basically done; Ron did nothing. So, his results here aren't suprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) Shanahan was forced to draft RG3 despite reservations. How much control did he ultimately have? Or any of these guys? I can’t and won’t judge them based on who their players were. I will look at how they didn’t in the face of horrendous odds. The best is Gibbs. Yeah. He messed up a bunch. But he won a playoff game. Now we’re lucky to see us in one. Least? Probably Spurrier. Zorn was overall probably worse, but we knew Zorn was DOA from the black and red comments on day 1. Spurrier was supposed to change the game and didn’t put in the work. Edited January 2, 2023 by KDawg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Probably Spurrier because he would've been a good coach if he actually gave a crap about the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madden lot Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 I mean... none of the coaches could overcome ownership incompetence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zim489 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, Leonard Washington said: I still think he is a solid coach but ultimately it is too much to overcome. I don’t think we could do better, particularly with “a pending sale”. A solid coach doesnt have 5 seasons in a row with non winning seasons and coming up on 8 out of 12 losing seasons. He's a woeful coach that road the coat tails of a revolutionary elite QB prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) This debate is similar to throwing a handful of ****roaches in a flushing toilet and then judging which ones flailed the hardest while failing to get out in time. Some of them didn't even try (Spurrier) Some of them brought paddles (Gibbs/Schott) Edited January 2, 2023 by SkinsFTW 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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