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[Vanguard]

3 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

SS Jr. is a wildcard for our offense. Great insurance if Samuel were to miss any time. I still have faith in that young man.

I don’t expect Samuel to miss that much more time, could be wrong.  It’s been weeks already.

[PartyPosse]

SS is a wildcard only because it's impossible to know what he's going to do if the ball gets anywhere near him. I think he's got all the potential in the world, but it's not worth the risk of some of the most boneheaded miscues that definitely have more bearing on a game.

[KDawg]

4 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I'd rather have Cam than SS. We have small quick WRs. 

 

I guess it's pick one from

Harmon

SS

Milne

Wright

AGG

Milne.

[Koolblue13]

3 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Milne.

That's my guess, because of Humphries injury history too. KRs and classic slot chain mover.

[KDawg]

Just now, Koolblue13 said:

That's my guess, because of Humphries injury history too. KRs and classic slot chain mover.

Harmon will likely stick on the PS. As would AGG who was way behind last year. Wright is a decent 6th for someone but probably not us. Sims is… Sims.

 

More interesting is DeAndre Carter vs. Milne. I think Dax is on the roster.

[skinny21]

2 hours ago, Die Hard said:

👀 Cam Sims has had a very quiet camp so far. Even with Samuel out.

I think Cam is safe, but I’m not placing bets on it either.

2 hours ago, Florgon79 said:

The way I see it there are three types of players. Those that ball out in practice, those that are gamers, and those that can do both. Steve Sims, Cam Sims, Terry Mclauren. I’m not saying Cam hasn’t had his issues but I think above all he shines under the lights whereas Steve wilts. 

Sims Jr has Humphries, Samuel ahead of him in the slot, and could get pushed back further by Brown.  If Carter wins the PR job, I don’t know that Sims Jr makes it.

Cam has Terry, Samuel and maybe/probably Brown ahead of him.  Easier road for him.  Of course, I’m not writing off Harmon either given his hands, blocking ability and ST play.

1 hour ago, terpfan said:

Sims and Carter feels a little redundant. I’d go with Harmon or AGG over one of those guys. Otherwise I like this prediction a lot. 
 

The CB battle is interesting. Seems like we’ve heard more about guys like Cole Luke and McTyver over Darryl Roberts, Stroman and Danny Johnson. But that’s a lot of guys for likely one, maybe two spots. Preseason performance will mean a lot for that position I think. 

You’re probably right, and thanks. 

To be fair, it was a bit less of a ‘prediction’ and more of a “here’s what the reports are suggesting to me”.

19 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Milne.

 

16 minutes ago, KDawg said:

Harmon will likely stick on the PS. As would AGG who was way behind last year. Wright is a decent 6th for someone but probably not us. Sims is… Sims.

 

More interesting is DeAndre Carter vs. Milne. I think Dax is on the roster.

Didn’t mean to quote both of yours, but Milne is an intriguing one for sure.  In theory, he offers position flex - slot and outside, plus return ability.  The problem for him is who is ahead of him and why.  If he’s around 5th place on the outside (I’m not splitting x/z ATM), and the 5th best slot receiver, he’d better show out as a returner.

To your point, I think it may come down to him vs Carter… and the latter is getting the more favorable press at the moment.  We’ll see.

 

Harmon to the PS is probably a good call.  I think going against a lot of man coverage in practice hurts him, so he’s gonna have to really show out in preseason (hopefully against more zone) to make the 53.  I think his size and contested catch ability fit Fitzpatrick well and his ST play and blocking can help those units.  Availability is hurting him at present though.

[wit33]

Steve Sims appears to be a lock to me. As long as behind the scenes is all good, there’s just too much there to not give him another shot. He has “position flex” viable on the outside/inside at WR, cheap, a veteran, and has game experience at PR. 
 

He’s an enigma, but if he can establish some consistency he’s a legit cheap weapon. 

2 hours ago, terpfan said:

Sims and Carter feels a little redundant. I’d go with Harmon or AGG over one of those guys. Otherwise I like this prediction a lot.

Speed… more speed!

[skinny21]

4 minutes ago, wit33 said:

Steve Sims appears to be a lock to me. As long as behind the scenes is all good, there’s just too much there to not give him another shot. He has “position flex” viable on the outside/inside at WR, cheap, a veteran, and has game experience at PR. 
 

He’s an enigma, but if he can establish some consistency he’s a legit cheap weapon. 

Speed… more speed!

Playing devil’s advocate - 1) I don’t see him able to play outside (and he certainly isn’t going to do much as a blocker), and 2) yes, he has game experience at PR, but he was pretty terrible at it too.

The ‘reports’ do suggest that he’s helped himself though.

[Skinsinparadise]

5 hours ago, Koolblue13 said:

I'd rather have Cam than SS. We have small quick WRs. 

 

I guess it's pick one from

Harmon

SS

Milne

Wright

AGG

 

Caught up with a few Keim podcasts.  He talked about S. Sims looking good.  He said Milne has had flashes but he thinks he ends up on the practice squad if they can get him on it.  ditto as for Jaret Patterson.

 

He thinks AGG and Harmon have shown more thus far than Milne.

 

He thinks Hemingway is in good shape to make the roster at TE.  Implied Bates should make it, too.   Thinks Smith-Williams is a borderline lock and right now clear front runner among the back up DEs. 

 

He thinks Fitz easily right now over Heinicke. 

 

Also even though Apke hasn't looked hot at CB, he sees him making the roster as a special teams specialist.  The gunner is a key spot.  And he sees Apke with the first team special team units just about all the time in practice. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[Skinsinparadise]

27 minutes ago, wit33 said:

Steve Sims appears to be a lock to me. As long as behind the scenes is all good, there’s just too much there to not give him another shot. He has “position flex” viable on the outside/inside at WR, cheap, a veteran, and has game experience at PR. 
 

He’s an enigma, but if he can establish some consistency he’s a legit cheap weapon. 

Speed… more speed!

 

Yeah I think Steve Sims has a good shot.  Sims isn't fast.  Just like Humphries isn't fast but they both looked so quick in the camp practices I watched.  They came in and out of their breaks so fast.  I was suprised Steve Sims had a down year after his rookie season after hearing how hard he worked that off season but apparently he wasn't healthy.    Sims definitely though doesn't fit the mold of the type of players they took in the last draft which for the most part were ultra athletic. 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Skinsinparadise

[Vanguard]

Sims 40 yard dash has never been good.  But I think he has good football speed.

[mojo]

Anyone else getting concerned with Willam Jackson, our new corner?  Honestly, I wasn’t familiar with him before we signed him but he seemed to be a highly rated player and got a big contract.  Now, the beat reporters are saying he’s been getting worked in practice for a while and now he’s on the injury report.

Makes you wonder

[Vanguard]

1 minute ago, mojo said:

Anyone else getting concerned with Willam Jackson, our new corner?  Honestly, I wasn’t familiar with him before we signed him but he seemed to be a highly rated player and got a big contract.  Now, the beat reporters are saying he’s been getting worked in practice for a while and now he’s on the injury report.

Makes you wonder

 

Im not concerned about him on the field.  He’s gotten a couple picks also, just haven’t been well publicized in camp.  I’m more concerned about his health, but it seems to be very minor.  I expect him to play preseason game 1.

[Skinsinparadise]

5 minutes ago, Vanguard said:

Sims 40 yard dash has never been good.  But I think he has good football speed.

 

I think he's quick albeit not fast.  But for the slot spot, dudes like that tend to do well.  It's about getting open quickly in a short space.   Humphries is the same way.  I don't think Steve Sims would be good outside but inside plays to his strengths. 

[wit33]

22 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

Playing devil’s advocate - 1) I don’t see him able to play outside (and he certainly isn’t going to do much as a blocker), and 2) yes, he has game experience at PR, but he was pretty terrible at it too.

The ‘reports’ do suggest that he’s helped himself though.

Going off memory, which doesn’t always hold up, but thought he has experience playing on the outside quite a bit (think Jay liked him there). Just seems like a guy who can back up all three WR spots and fill-in. A team ready to win now would seem to position him ahead of other young guys. He’s extremely cheap and is a veteran— not the end all be all, but a lot of value when comparing him to others on the roster. 

 

7 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

Yeah I think Steve Sims has a good shot.  Sims isn't fast.  Just like Humphries isn't fast but they both looked so quick in the camp practices I watched.  They came in and out of their breaks so fast.  I was suprised Steve Sims had a down year after his rookie season after hearing how hard he worked that off season but apparently he wasn't healthy.    Sims definitely though doesn't fit the mold of the type of players they took in the last draft which for the most part were ultra athletic. 

 

 

Agree. Most were excited to see what he could do last year. Kind of shocking how much he struggled after such a great rookie campaign. 

 

 

[Bifflog]

The back-end of the WR battle (along with a generous dose of Taylor H.) will give us something rather fun to watch for in these preseason games.  More juice than normal.

[Conn]

In what world does S Sims have outside flexibility? He is super short and small with short arms, small hands, and better agility than straight line speed. He isn’t a great blocker or contested catch guy, he is best in space. Nothing about that says to me that you want him outside. 

[Burgundy Yoda]

12 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

In what world does S Sims have outside flexibility? He is super short and small with short arms, small hands, and better agility than straight line speed. He isn’t a great blocker or contested catch guy, he is best in space. Nothing about that says to me that you want him outside. 

Sims isn't making this roster, Samuel and Humphries are both better than him at the slot position, he'll be playing for Atlanta before we know it. 

[bakedtater1]

31 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

In what world does S Sims have outside flexibility? He is super short and small with short arms, small hands, and better agility than straight line speed. He isn’t a great blocker or contested catch guy, he is best in space. Nothing about that says to me that you want him outside. 

Facts

19 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Sims isn't making this roster, Samuel and Humphries are both better than him at the slot position, he'll be playing for Atlanta before we know it. 

And scoring constantly?...dooohhhh 

sorry that's the Coors light talking

[skinny21]

2 hours ago, wit33 said:

Going off memory, which doesn’t always hold up, but thought he has experience playing on the outside quite a bit (think Jay liked him there). Just seems like a guy who can back up all three WR spots and fill-in. A team ready to win now would seem to position him ahead of other young guys. He’s extremely cheap and is a veteran— not the end all be all, but a lot of value when comparing him to others on the roster. 

 

Agree. Most were excited to see what he could do last year. Kind of shocking how much he struggled after such a great rookie campaign. 

 

 

As to Gruden and the slot receiver he liked on the outside - sounds like you’re describing Crowder.  Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just not how I remember it.  

1 hour ago, Bifflog said:

The back-end of the WR battle (along with a generous dose of Taylor H.) will give us something rather fun to watch for in these preseason games.  More juice than normal.

Yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing who earns the last spots at receiver, linebacker (I wanna see Toney and Hudson in action), DE (King or someone else?), corner, rb (Patterson or Barber, or both?), and TE (who wins the #2 spot?  Do we keep 4 with Reyes as the 4th?).  

35 minutes ago, Burgundy Yoda said:

Sims isn't making this roster, Samuel and Humphries are both better than him at the slot position, he'll be playing for Atlanta before we know it. 

I’m really back and forth on Sims Jr.  I liked his potential to be a Crowder-lite for us last year, got really down on him, and now he’s really getting recognition for playing well.  
If it were me making the decision, I think I let him walk.  Humphries and Samuel are good in the slot, as you say, and Brown and McLaurin can take snaps there as well.  The latter 3 can line up outside and motion to the slot as well (as we move other guys around).  
 

With that said, they apparently want Samuel outside, and with Humphries’ injury history, maybe they like Sims Jr backing him up.  
 

@Skinsinparadise Interesting about Apke.  Wonder if that means ditching a 7th receiver, 4th back or 4th TE for an 11th db, or do they stay at 10 dbs and Reaves, Forrest, Everett and McTyver (and other corners) fight for that 10th spot.  Of course, that would mean Apke is the #2 FS (though Curl/Fuller probably moves back instead), or the 5th corner.  Former seems more likely, but that knocks Reaves, Everett and Forrest off the 53.  Decisions, decisions.  
 

[Always A Commander Never A Captain]

Steve Sims is competing with DeAndre Carter.  Same with Milne and Wright.  If they can't function on special teams, they don't have a spot.

 

None of these guys have long term potential that's high enough to warrant a rare roster spot without special teams.

 

Especially not with Curtis and Terry on the roster.  Then who knows what Dyami brings.

[wit33]

47 minutes ago, skinny21 said:

As to Gruden and the slot receiver he liked on the outside - sounds like you’re describing Crowder.  Not saying you’re wrong, it’s just not how I remember it.  

Yeah, I’m looking forward to seeing who earns the last spots at receiver, linebacker (I wanna see Toney and Hudson in action), DE (King or someone else?), corner, rb (Patterson or Barber, or both?), and TE (who wins the #2 spot?  Do we keep 4 with Reyes as the 4th?).  

I’m really back and forth on Sims Jr.  I liked his potential to be a Crowder-lite for us last year, got really down on him, and now he’s really getting recognition for playing well.  
If it were me making the decision, I think I let him walk.  Humphries and Samuel are good in the slot, as you say, and Brown and McLaurin can take snaps there as well.  The latter 3 can line up outside and motion to the slot as well (as we move other guys around).  
 

With that said, they apparently want Samuel outside, and with Humphries’ injury history, maybe they like Sims Jr backing him up.  
 

@Skinsinparadise Interesting about Apke.  Wonder if that means ditching a 7th receiver, 4th back or 4th TE for an 11th db, or do they stay at 10 dbs and Reaves, Forrest, Everett and McTyver (and other corners) fight for that 10th spot.  Of course, that would mean Apke is the #2 FS (though Curl/Fuller probably moves back instead), or the 5th corner.  Former seems more likely, but that knocks Reaves, Everett and Forrest off the 53.  Decisions, decisions.  
 

Right, I do remember Crowder. I know Sims lined up out there some as well. 

 

1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

In what world does S Sims have outside flexibility? He is super short and small with short arms, small hands, and better agility than straight line speed. He isn’t a great blocker or contested catch guy, he is best in space. Nothing about that says to me that you want him outside. 
 

 

 

Agree for most part.

 

Just thought I remembered him having some time/experience on the outside and that may be helpful for him earning a roster spot. He wouldn’t be the back up to an outside guy, more like a back to the back up type situation. Really have no clue though.
 

I do believe he earns a roster spot. Ron appears to be a sucker for his kind of talent. 

[kingdaddy]

7 hours ago, PartyPosse said:

SS is a wildcard only because it's impossible to know what he's going to do if the ball gets anywhere near him. I think he's got all the potential in the world, but it's not worth the risk of some of the most boneheaded miscues that definitely have more bearing on a game.

He's supposedly having a great camp....if he can hold on to the ball he's dangerous. Gotta believe he's worked on catching the ball in the offseason. 

[PartyPosse]

9 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

He's supposedly having a great camp....if he can hold on to the ball he's dangerous. Gotta believe he's worked on catching the ball in the offseason. 

A little scary when your #2 WR (last year) has to work on learning how to catch the ball.

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah I'm surprised to read that Keim thinks Apke will make the team.  Just for special teams?  Surely they can find a WR6 to do that job, I mean he's not exactly Steve Tasker and we all know by now his poor angles make it impossible for him to continue at safety.