The Trump Riot Aftermath (Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes found guilty of seditious conspiracy. Proud Boys join the club)

[Bang]

Jones' audience won't see any of this as wrong, won't see how they've been taken, because they don't believe they've been taken and they believe he did nothing wrong.. INCLUDING laws he broke.

These people, Trump's people and basically anyone left riding the GOPs train to fascism don't care about the laws they break / broke, because they believe they are righteously trying to save the country, and the laws they break in doing so are unjust. This is why there is no coming to reason for them, their reasoning is clouded by fanaticism. There's no "haha, i don't care if he's guilty if he owns them there libs", they believe what he does is right.

Even the OCCASIONAL moment of clarity in which any of them admit that they know what is / has/ and will be done is illegal, underneath it all they think he's right.

 

~Bang

[TradeTheBeal!]

They got “Camp Auchwitz” guy!

 

 

[Chachie]

26 minutes ago, Bang said:

Jones' audience won't see any of this as wrong, won't see how they've been taken, because they don't believe they've been taken and they believe he did nothing wrong.. INCLUDING laws he broke.

These people, Trump's people and basically anyone left riding the GOPs train to fascism don't care about the laws they break / broke, because they believe they are righteously trying to save the country, and the laws they break in doing so are unjust. This is why there is no coming to reason for them, their reasoning is clouded by fanaticism. There's no "haha, i don't care if he's guilty if he owns them there libs", they believe what he does is right.

Even the OCCASIONAL moment of clarity in which any of them admit that they know what is / has/ and will be done is illegal, underneath it all they think he's right.

 

~Bang

 

 

I'm betting every single person that has so far stood before the court and professed their regret for what they did that day immediately left the court house knowing they lied to the judge and that they'll do it again if they lose another election. 

[Captain Wiggles]

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Robert Packer of Newport News, Virginia is pleading guilty in Jan 6 case.

 

Packer was accused of wearing the CAMP AUSCHWITZ sweatshirt inside Capitol.

 

What did he plead guilty to? Wearing a shirt, even one such as that, is a crime? Guessing it was something like destruction of property and trespassing? 

[Larry]

3 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

It's pretty standard conspiracy theory crap. Basically the more exposed he is as a fraud the more they believe in him because it's all fake and it just proves that he's on to something by talking about those shady people who run the world in secret. They're trying to shut him up by making all this stuff up about him.

Recall a post quoted here that said that when you enter conspiracy theory land, you travel from a dimension where lack of evidence means a theory is wrong. And enter one where lack of evidence proves the conspiracy.
 

"It's like arguing that you never see elephants hiding in the tops of trees, because they're so good at it." 

[mistertim]

47 minutes ago, Larry said:

Recall a post quoted here that said that when you enter conspiracy theory land, you travel from a dimension where lack of evidence means a theory is wrong. And enter one where lack of evidence proves the conspiracy.
 

"It's like arguing that you never see elephants hiding in the tops of trees, because they're so good at it." 

 

Yep. This is why it's completely pointless to debate a conspiracy theorist. Every mark against their argument they count as an argument for it. And as soon as you point out something counterfactual to their beliefs, you are immediately labeled as "compromised" in their brains and hence you can be completely ignored or, more often, treated with open hostility and disdain. 

[Ball Security]

6 minutes ago, mistertim said:

 

Yep. This is why it's completely pointless to debate a conspiracy theorist. Every mark against their argument they count as an argument for it. And as soon as you point out something counterfactual to their beliefs, you are immediately labeled as "compromised" in their brains and hence you can be completely ignored or, more often, treated with open hostility and disdain. 

You know, that sounds exactly like what George Soros would have his employees say.

[mistertim]

13 minutes ago, Ball Security said:

You know, that sounds exactly like what George Soros would have his employees say.

 

[China]

23 hours ago, EmirOfShmo said:

 

 

More:

 

Jan. 6 panel: Lawyer behind Trump election memos invoked 5th Amendment 146 times

 

John Eastman, the conservative law professor who authored memos outlining how President Donald Trump could overturn the results of the 2020 election, invoked his Fifth Amendment rights 146 times when he was questioned by the Jan. 6 committee last month, a lawyer for the panel revealed late Monday.

 

The disclosure came in a court hearing before U.S. District Judge David Carter in Santa Ana, Calif., on Eastman’s lawsuit to block a subpoena from the committee directing Chapman University — where he previously worked as a professor — to turn over more than 19,000 emails relating to his work for Trump in the months following the Nov. 3, 2020, election.

 

The Eastman emails are considered crucial evidence by the committee because, in its view, the law professor’s memos laid out a road map for a constitutional coup: They argued that Vice President Mike Pence could refuse to accept the certified results of the Electoral College vote declaring President-elect Joe Biden the winner. Pence publicly rejected Eastman’s advice, agreeing with the vast majority of legal experts who said he did not have the power to reverse the voters.

 

Eastman was questioned by the committee in a Dec. 9 deposition, but he refused to answer any questions on the grounds that it could violate his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination for potential criminal activity, the House lawyer, Doug Letter, disclosed. Just days after the deposition, Eastman sued the committee to protect his emails from disclosure, arguing that they were protected by attorney-client privilege covering his communications with then-President Trump and his legal team. In response to pointed questioning from the judge on Monday, Eastman’s lawyer said his client has not even produced a “privilege log” identifying which of the emails are covered by the privilege because to do so would risk disclosing the existence of emails that could undercut his assertion of Fifth Amendment rights.

 

But Eastman’s argument suffered a blow when the lawyer for Chapman University, whose computer hosts the emails, told the judge that the professor had no right to use the university email system for his representation of Trump because it was partisan work on behalf of a political candidate — a violation of the university’s status as a nonprofit.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[PCS]

 

 

 

 

[Larry]

Seems the best thread to put this:  

 

 

[China]

THE FIRST MIKE FLYNN-INSPIRED INSURRECTIONIST SENTENCED TO 44 MONTHS IN PRISON

 

In his (successful) letter to John Bates asking for leniency, QAnoner Nicholas Languerand attributed his involvement in the dangerous cult to prominent people, most notably Mike Flynn.

 

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During this time, I was introduced to what has been dubbed “QAnon.” I cannot deny my involvement with this group or the profound impact it has had on my life. Unfortunately, there is a great deal of misinformation related to the beliefs and motives of this group within the public discourse. In regards to my case, I believe the most important aspect of this controversial topic is the fact that those individuals were consistently encouraged by highly respected members of society such as President Trump, Lt General Michael Flynn, General Flynn’s attorney Sidney Powell, and Lt General Thomas McInerny.

[snip]

 

There is absolutely no doubt, and I have every intention of showing to the court, that these individuals promoted and in effect facilitated and took responsibility for what I call the Q information network. The evidence of this is substantial to say the least. I think it is only fair that the court and Americans at home understand that this phenomenon went on for 4 years and culminated in the “Stop the Steal” movement between November 2020 and Janaury 6th 2021. It is also important to understand that it was lead [sic] by retired senior military intelligence officers who attained one of the highest possible statuses within the U.S. military.

 

Languerand pled guilty to assaulting cops, throwing a large orange bollard and some sticks at the officers in the Tunnel on January 6, then stealing a riot shield.

 

Languerand invoked that Lieutenant General again today at his sentencing. Bates, showing the same deference to other white January 6 defendants he has in the past, gave him a below guidelines sentence, 44 months.

 

Whatever excuses he made for himself, the key one is that Languerand believes Flynn and others mobilized his best motivations and turned it to violent effect on January 6.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[China]

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[Larry]

"I realize that when it happened, I was too busy sulking in my hole crying because my coup didn't work, to pardon the suckers who did what I wanted, but didn't succeed. But I want to dangle the possibility of pardons at them now, if they'll just put me in power again."

Edited January 30, 2022 by Larry

[Captain Wiggles]

🤭

 

[Cooked Crack]

 

[China]

**** Cotton and all the other cowards in the GOP who are afraid to say this crap is wrong, just like **** Susan Collins for being unwilling to say she won't support Trump in 2024.  Why is that so hard?  After all she voted to convict him in his second impeachment.  The GOP not denying this crap is really just enabling and quietly supporting it.    There is a saying that has been incorrectly attributed to Edmund Burke:  "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."  But the original more adequately describes the current GOP:   

 

“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”  - John Stuart Mill

 

[China]

National Archives receives Trump records that were ripped apart, taped back together: report

 

Some of the Trump White House documents that were handed over to the House Select Committee on Jan. 6 by the National Archives and Records Administration were reportedly torn up and taped back together.

 

Three sources familiar with the records told The Washington Post about the state of the administration documents, which the National Archives confirmed to the newspaper. 

 

In a statement to The Post, the National Archives said that documents turned over from the Trump White House “included paper records that had been torn up by former President Trump."

 

“White House records management officials during the Trump Administration recovered and taped together some of the torn-up records," said the agency. "These were turned over to the National Archives at the end of the Trump Administration, along with a number of torn-up records that had not been reconstructed by the White House. The Presidential Records Act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations.”

 

Click on the link for the full article

 

So the former Toddler-in-Chief threw a temper tantrum and tore up some paper.  That's probably all his tiny hands had the strength for.

Edited February 1, 2022 by China

[Captain Wiggles]

Yeah I remember early in his Presidency he was tearing up documents and staffers had to tape them back together. It's his "filing system". 🤣

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164

[LD0506]

[China]

MASSIVE Trump Panic Attack: Upon Hearing Pence CoS Testified Demands Investigation of Pelosi/Pence

 

Donald Trump must have just fully absorbed what it means to have had Marc Short, Pence’s Chief of Staff, cooperate with the committee and testify to all he knows.  Trump is likely sitting back thinking about all the sh*t he said, blowing up at Pence (and everyone else) with Short in the room.

 

He is thus having yet another panic attack. Unlike most people, who run to bathrooms and bedrooms to have panic attacks, Trump likes to have his come with their own statement. In a panic, and because he knows Short has already talked, Trump wants the Committee to investigate Pence and Pelosi!:

 

 

So, now he is admitting that his people destroyed the Capitol because Mike Pence did what the Constitution told him to do and that is to stand there and open the envelopes and announce each state? And yeah, Nancy Pelosi has so much authority to organize security. Tell us when you told her to increase security, ace.

 

Trump then – this is breathtakingly beautiful – says that Nancy Pelosi should be investigated for allowing the violence to happen (so Trumpian!), and that Mike Pence should be investigated for failing to send the electors back to the states.

 

It sounds like Trump did not like contemplating upon what Marc Short might recall in answering the committee’s questions.

[China]

House accuses Trump attorney John Eastman of stalling on Jan. 6 subpoena

 

The House of Representatives’ top lawyer accused John Eastman, a key legal adviser to former President Donald Trump, of dragging out his response to a House subpoena and frustrating a House panel’s efforts to investigate Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.

 

During a hearing before a federal judge overseeing a lawsuit Eastman brought to prevent his former employer, Chapman University, from turning over more than 94,000 pages of emails to the House panel, House General Counsel Douglas Letter said Eastman was seeking to “defeat” the subpoena by reviewing the earliest subpoenaed records first rather than those from around the time of the Electoral College showdown in Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.

 

The U.S. District Court judge, David Carter, based in Los Angeles, has already ordered Eastman to review 1,500 pages of records per day — a process he noted on Monday would take about 13 weeks — but the House has asked Eastman to prioritize emails from between Jan. 4 and Jan 7, 2021. The subpoena to Chapman University asked for all of Eastman’s records between Nov. 3, 2020 and Jan. 20, 2021, and the school initially indicated it planned to turn them all over to the committee. But Eastman sued to block the subpoena, resulting in Carter’s order last week.

 

Letter said plodding through the records in chronological order could end up making the subpoena ultimately worthless.

 

“There’s no point in having Professor Eastman produce the most relevant materials four months from now,” Letter told Carter during a videoconference. “That’s useless. … It completely defeats the subpoena.”

 

Carter issued an order earlier this month requiring Eastman to review the messages at a rate of 1,500 pages per business day and to give the committee the nonprivileged portions on a rolling basis along with a log of what was held back and why.

 

The judge considered increasing that rate, but decided on Monday to stick with it for now. “As we go along, I may need to adjust,” the judge said.

 

At the hearing, Carter declined to address the prioritization issue, but shortly after the session concluded he issued a written order requiring Eastman to move now to process the documents from Jan. 4 to Jan. 7 of last year.

 

“The Select Committee’s request is reasonable in light of the unexpectedly large volume of documents produced and the critical relevance of the time period to the investigation,” the judge wrote.

 

Click on the link for the full article

[EmirOfShmo]

 

[LadySkinsFan]

^^^^ The payoff. Why so little? Meadows, you are cheap date!