BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: Someone has to explain to me how a QB can play 2 years at one of the top programs in the country and in his 2nd season as a professional and still has poor mechanics. Because they win a lot because they are more talented than everyone else. Finer details aren’t really all that important to someone like Urban Meyer or Ryan Day. They have guys running wide ass open 24-7 so long as the ball gets there, who cares? 11 hours ago, TheShredder said: Where did you hear that from Cooley? I lost track of him. Kevin Sheehan Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-kevin-sheehan-show/id1435515037?i=1000492027203 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just listened to Cooley. Saw the exact same thing he saw. Not sure what you can call as an offensive coordinator when you have a statue of a qb who can't throw the ball accurately. It's pretty much the worst combination. I hate to say it but he reminds me a little bit of Jamarcus Russell. And what's crazy is he has a worse QBR than Jamarcus did. I've supported skins players for 3 decades so it hurts me a little to be so critical of a player we drafted, but Rivera and his regime bring us a fresh start, a complete cutting of the cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 This obsession with QBR is pretty amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: This obsession with QBR is pretty amusing. It's not perfect and makes some head scratching mistakes, but it's one of the more accurate representations of a qb's performance we have. And I have no clue what you guys are watching because I watch every WFT game and his QBR matches up perfectly with what I see on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, httr2020dynasty said: Just listened to Cooley. Saw the exact same thing he saw. Not sure what you can call as an offensive coordinator when you have a statue of a qb who can't throw the ball accurately. It's pretty much the worst combination. I hate to say it but he reminds me a little bit of Jamarcus Russell. And what's crazy is he has a worse QBR than Jamarcus did. I've supported skins players for 3 decades so it hurts me a little to be so critical of a player we drafted, but Rivera and his regime bring us a fresh start, a complete cutting of the cord. Wait now we are comparing him to Jamarcus Russell? Dear lord yes lets compare him to one of the biggest busts, no work ethic, off the field problem, QBs in the last 15 years of football smdh. This is becoming asinine lol, HELL lets just compare him to Ryan Leaf while we are at it, oh please yes make my brain hurt worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, httr2020dynasty said: It's not perfect and makes some head scratching mistakes, but it's one of the more accurate representations of a qb's performance we have. And I have no clue what you guys are watching because I watch every WFT game and his QBR matches up perfectly with what I see on the field. Sorry, Mitch Trubisky with the 3rd highest QBR in 2018 is more than just a "head scratching mistake". Also, it's not a very stable metric at all compared to the other QB metrics out there. This has nothing to do with Haskins - I've always been strongly against QBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartyPosse Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZarG3 said: Wait now we are comparing him to Jamarcus Russell? Dear lord yes lets compare him to one of the biggest busts, no work ethic, off the field problem, QBs in the last 15 years of football smdh. This is becoming asinine lol, HELL lets just compare him to Ryan Leaf while we are at it, oh please yes make my brain hurt worse. All these fly-by-night fans join just to talk trash when things are low but always seem to disappear when things change. I've been around these boards long enough to see the predictability of their antics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Trubisky has the 3rd highest QBR in 2018 because of two games, remove them and he was nowhere near the top. That’s an issue with the system, but one you can sort through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 So you guys found one mistake in QBR two years ago. Other than that, it's pretty much what you expect, the good qbs with high qbrs, the bad qbs with low qbrs. Any advanced metric has some mistakes. I don't think Haskins being dead last or second to dead last two years in a row is a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PartyPosse Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, httr2020dynasty said: So you guys found one mistake in QBR two years ago. Other than that, it's pretty much what you expect, the good qbs with high qbrs, the bad qbs with low qbrs. Any advanced metric has some mistakes. I don't think Haskins being dead last or second to dead last two years in a row is a mistake. Taking into account virtually nothing, sure, go ahead and make that assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, httr2020dynasty said: So you guys found one mistake in QBR two years ago. Other than that, it's pretty much what you expect, the good qbs with high qbrs, the bad qbs with low qbrs. Any advanced metric has some mistakes. I don't think Haskins being dead last or second to dead last two years in a row is a mistake. Two years in a row? The kid hasn't even started a FULL year and most of his games he has started were a different coaching staff (2 HCs), in a completely tanking season with absolutely no help talent or coaching wise. Talk to me when he's had 16 games, a full season, and then show me his QBR. Until then GTFO with this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, PartyPosse said: All these fly-by-night fans join just to talk trash when things are low but always seem to disappear when things change. I've been around these boards long enough to see the predictability of their antics. Couldn't be more wrong. I'm here because I haven't been this excited to be a fan since 2013. I'm excited for the new regime, excited for Rivera. I just want to win and want Rivera to stop making the same mistakes we've made for the last 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said: Hmm... maybe Dwayne isn't in the worst QB situation in the league after Darnold. At least he doesn't have his own medical staff out to get him. Live look at the Chargers training facility: 1 minute ago, httr2020dynasty said: I just want to win and want Rivera to stop making the same mistakes we've made for the last 30 years. Like playing quarterback roulette and being generally impatient and trying to compete years before we are even close to competing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Here for all of you QBR fanatics, this is why the system is flawed: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qbr-stat-worst-stat-tom-brady-behind-ryan-fitzpatrick-what-is-qbr https://bleacherreport.com/articles/889199-big-flaws-in-espns-total-qbr-exposed-after-tim-tebow-rates-above-aaron-rodgers etc. etc. Finally QBR is based a lot off of how the TEAM is doing, not just the Quarterback as read in this article: https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/123701/how-is-total-qbr-calculated-we-explain-our-quarterback-rating it incorporates all of a quarterback’s contributions to winning, including how he impacts the game on passes, rushes, turnovers and penalties. Also, since QBR is built from the play level, it accounts for a team’s level of success or failure on every play to provide the proper context and then allocates credit to the quarterback and his teammate to produce a clearer measure of quarterback efficiency. At the end of the day QBR is mostly bullcrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I wouldn’t say it’s BS. It’s flawed in many ways. It certainly skews towards winning a bit, but... is that really a bad metric? Your QB might be subpar, but if you’re winning... you’re winning. And if you’re losing... you’re losing. No, that’s not totally on the QB or any player/coach in particular. But it speaks to the team atmosphere and culture a bit as well. It does account for QB play as well. As with all things, you have to take into account more factors than just QBR. But sometimes QBR measures up with the eye test. Sometimes it doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOATFrerotte Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 QBR is widely used as a metric to evaluate qbs for a reason. If you want to discredit everyone who uses it and the metric itself because it makes a qb you like look bad feel free. In 7 games he had 7 tds/7 ints, threw for less than 180 yards a game, and was dead last in completion %. This year as a team we are dead last in completion %, 2nd to dead last in yards per game. So not sure what exactly you are arguing? That his qbr should be better? That he's been good? Head scratcher for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, KDawg said: I wouldn’t say it’s BS. It’s flawed in many ways. It certainly skews towards winning a bit, but... is that really a bad metric? Your QB might be subpar, but if you’re winning... you’re winning. And if you’re losing... you’re losing. No, that’s not totally on the QB or any player/coach in particular. But it speaks to the team atmosphere and culture a bit as well. It does account for QB play as well. As with all things, you have to take into account more factors than just QBR. But sometimes QBR measures up with the eye test. Sometimes it doesn’t. It may have an iota of truth, sometimes, but still very flawed. This is from the first article through week 9 in 2015: Ryan Fitzpatrick > Aaron Rodgers Tyrod Taylor > Ben Roethlisberger Jay Cutler > Philip Rivers Brian Hoyer > Russell Wilson Ryan Mallett > Cam Newton Ryan Mallett > Matthew Stafford Ryan Mallett > Andrew Luck Ryan Mallett > Joe Flacco Ryan Mallett > Nick Foles Ryan Mallett > Sam Bradford This just shows how flawed the system truly is. Mallett obviously isn't a better QB than all of those guyys, but he was playing on the Texans that year... a good texans team, which made a difference. Not to mention he only started in 4 games that season, and played in 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Sure. QBR is a team statistic. And a QB is a part of the team’s successes or failures. The QB is NOT the only part. QBR is intended to show a QBs value in conjunction with his team, not his individual value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Is The Way Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, KDawg said: Sure. QBR is a team statistic. And a QB is a part of the team’s successes or failures. The QB is NOT the only part. QBR is intended to show a QBs value in conjunction with his team, not his individual value. Exact-a-mundo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, ZarG3 said: Exact-a-mundo. Right. But the QB DOES play a role in the QBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinbuck Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, KDawg said: Right. But the QB DOES play a role in the QBR. That's reassuring and a good step forward!🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, skinbuck said: That's reassuring and a good step forward!🤣 Stating the obvious, but sometimes I’m not sure what people are thinking in these conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volsmet Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Your number 1 WR needs to make this catch, and the 2nd throw here is unbelievable - he shows everything you could want your young qb to show, he goes through his progressions, he doesn’t try to escape, and he makes as filthy a pass as is humanly possible; Gibson has to catch it. IMG_9273.MP4 51 minutes ago, httr2020dynasty said: So you guys found one mistake in QBR two years ago. Other than that, it's pretty much what you expect, the good qbs with high qbrs, the bad qbs with low qbrs. Any advanced metric has some mistakes. I don't think Haskins being dead last or second to dead last two years in a row is a mistake. People here really can take anything personally. You guys are nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, volsmet said: Your number 1 WR needs to make this catch, and the 2nd throw here is unbelievable - he shows everything you could want your young qb to show, he goes through his progressions, he doesn’t try to escape, and he makes as filthy a pass as is humanly possible; Gibson has to catch it. Those are great examples--the 1st one is a good pass, however a little more inside and it's a great pass and 6. But yes, McLaurin needs to catch that. That 2nd one though, had that touch and perfect placement. More of that please! These are the ones that make me say he has the ability, he just needs to get more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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