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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2020/futures-alabama-qb-tua-tagovailoa

 

Since this thread lately has been all about how Tua is amazing, here's a bit of a wet towel thrown onto things.  The article is good, and the first half of it highlights things Tua is great at.  But here's a part that's negative.

 

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When operating on-schedule and unfazed, as the previous five clips show, Tagovailoa looks as sharp as anyone in the class. He can zip through his first couple of reads, find the open man, and throw a plenty accurate ball. The glaring hole in Tagovailoa's game, however, is what happens once the pocket closes in on him. Tagovailoa's work from cluttered pockets is shoddy at best, and deeply concerning at worst.

 

A few factors work against Tagovailoa when operating on muddied pockets. For one, Tagovailoa is not very tall. Tagovailoa measured in at 6-feet flat at the NFL combine, which puts him right around Baker Mayfield territory. Tagovailoa also throws with a fairly low release, which can be fine for taller quarterbacks, but becomes somewhat of an issue for those who do not have that natural height advantage. Additionally, Tagovailoa is not the bravest quarterback when it comes to staring down an incoming pass-rusher and delivering a throw knowing that he is about to get clobbered. Tagovailoa tends to shy away from the contact and short-arm his release, further accentuating his height and low release issues. When paired with arm strength that is more "functional" than "good," it is tough to find many instances on film of Tagovailoa making an impressive throw with bodies around him in the pocket.

 

and then the conclusion worries about if his injuries will make his escape-ability or presence under pressure worse.

 

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Figuring out where Tagovailoa lands on the play-under-pressure spectrum depends on how often he can create these chances for himself in the NFL. If he can do so at a similar rate as Deshaun Watson -- which is not entirely out of the question given his quick-twitch style of athleticism -- then he may be fine. If Tagovailoa can only create opportunities at a marginal rate, however -- which may be the case following his hip injury and surgery -- then it is unlikely that he will suddenly develop enough bravado in the pocket to transform this weakness into a strength, or even a net-neutral.

 

Tagovailoa's place in this class is unique. Whether referencing the hip injury or some of the underlying flaws that cropped up on film, it is fair to say now that Tagovailoa is not as elite of a prospect as many assumed him to be prior to the 2019 season, and that he should not be considered this class' top passer. And yet, Tagovailoa is still a tier above the rest of the class aside from Burrow. Perhaps a patient franchise who will not rush Tagovailoa back into game action can provide the right environment for him to make good on all the potential every analyst saw in him a year ago.

 

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Anyone here been to the draft since they've changed the location and format the last few years? Do you need tickets for the actual draft not the NFL experience stuff going on around the city?

 

My wife loves the slots and has been wanting to hit Vegas for a few years and I think I have her talked into going there the week of the draft so she can lose all our money in the casinos and I can attend the draft. 

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33 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

 

Yea, a bit actually. My nerves communicate at high intensities and have a high tensile sensitivity, so when nerves fire right it can be explosively pleasurable and when they fire wrong it ****s me up. 


Russian roulette sex

 

Fresh calculation:

 

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35 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

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Tua

Simmons

Thomas

Kinlaw

Shenault

Wirfs

Ruggs

Weaver***

Diggs

Aiyuk

Davidson

Bryant***

Jonah Jackson***

 

 

I love the board, he loves 3 guys that I’m much higher on than most of the humans. Two Vols in his top 75, good man.

 

He may need to update the OSU logo, KJ Hill won’t be pleased. 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

He's a poor man's Simmons and I wouldn't sleep on Davis-Gaither, versatile and good player.  I'll keep pounding the drum for him especially if he falls to the 4th.

 

 

 

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You’ll be part of a large band, if seems.

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22 minutes ago, Redskin21502 said:

Anyone here been to the draft since they've changed the location and format the last few years? Do you need tickets for the actual draft not the NFL experience stuff going on around the city?

 

My wife loves the slots and has been wanting to hit Vegas for a few years and I think I have her talked into going there the week of the draft so she can lose all our money in the casinos and I can attend the draft. 

Went last year, it was free but you had to register and be early as hell for the close area in Nashville. 
it was cool, would do it again for sure

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5 minutes ago, KDawg said:

 2 months ago I got 18 @ 215 lbs. So, count me out.


Not far off, at all; were you benching your weight? Common bench contest round 1, rep out your weight. 18 is a really nice number at 215.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

 


Big man is the most tenacious of the humans. 

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Just now, volsmet said:


Not far off, at all; were you benching your weight? Common bench contest round 1, rep out your weight. 18 is a really nice number at 215.

 


No, I mean I weigh 215. 225x18. 1RM was 335. I’ve competed in power lifting. I suck compared to actual powerlifters. I’m strong compared to most gym goers. I feel like Andy Dalton.

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3 hours ago, Fresh8686 said:

 

Where are you seeing that?

 

SIP's post above says he only did 19, while Cephus with that convict strength, repped out 23, while being 36lbs less.

 

Speaking of TE's. It's kind of funny/weird that PFF's comp for Jacob Breeland is Caleb Wilson. Who I believe we still have on the team after poaching him from the Cardinals practice squad.

It was only 19, my bad. 

 

Still, Claypool at 6'4 230 has a much better body for TE than Cephus, at only 6'1 i believe, does.

 

Also, i'd LOVE to have Breeland here. He'd be a top 3 round pick if it wasn't for his injury.

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6 minutes ago, KDawg said:


No, I mean I weigh 215. 225x18. 1RM was 335. I’ve competed in power lifting. I suck compared to actual powerlifters. I’m strong compared to most gym goers. I feel like Andy Dalton.

 

That's good, in my heyday up till about 3 years ago, I was up to 215 4 times.  😀  But I've been scared to go back to the weight room since my 2nd hernia surgery.  

 

The one thing I can do well combine wise would be run.  I did a 40 at the NFL Superbowl Experience event a few weeks back, they timed me at 4.4.  I doubt I ran that fast though so I think their timing was off.  In my youth, I could do a 40 in the low 4.4's.  Now it felt like I ran about a 4.5.    

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Just now, Skinsinparadise said:

 

That's good, in my heyday up till about 3 years ago, I was up to 215 4 times.  😀  But I've been scared to go back to the weight room since my 2nd hernia surgery.  

 

The one thing I can do well combine wise is run.  I did a 40 at the NFL Superbowl Experience event, they timed me at 4.4.  I doubt I ran that fast though so I think their timing was off.  In my youth, I could do a 40 in the low 4.4's.  Now it felt like I ran about a 4.5.    


Oh speed is my Achilles. 5.4 would be lucky nowadays. Back in college I ran a 4.9. 
 

I don’t understand why I’m not in the league.

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Just now, KDawg said:


Oh speed is my Achilles. 5.4 would be lucky nowadays. Back in college I ran a 4.9. 
 

I don’t understand why I’m not in the league.

 

I played soccer in HS, which is my favorite sport after football.  But yeah I can run but otherwise in football I wasn't much.   My kid is actually much better than I am at it.😀

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All three of those numbers are interesting to me if matched by decent speed.

 

Hunter Bryant seems to be going to town on erasing his rep of being a pure receiver type of TE and bulking up and apparently getting strong.  I want to see though if all of this has lessened his speed.   I wasn't impressed with Deguara's blocking but it's not awful and at least he's a willing blocker -- he looks to me agile and fast for a TE, will see.  I like Pinkney as a blocker more than most do, so good to see he's strong.   Hopkins too me also looks like a good athlete for his position, will see, apparently he's relatively strong, too.  I don't love him as a blocker though. 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, KDawg said:


No, I mean I weigh 215. 225x18. 1RM was 335. I’ve competed in power lifting. I suck compared to actual powerlifters. I’m strong compared to most gym goers. I feel like Andy Dalton.


335 & 225 x 18 is badass.

 

Kdwag in the gym:

 

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14 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

That's good, in my heyday up till about 3 years ago, I was up to 215 4 times.  😀  But I've been scared to go back to the weight room since my 2nd hernia surgery.  

 

The one thing I can do well combine wise would be run.  I did a 40 at the NFL Superbowl Experience event a few weeks back, they timed me at 4.4.  I doubt I ran that fast though so I think their timing was off.  In my youth, I could do a 40 in the low 4.4's.  Now it felt like I ran about a 4.5.    


I run the 40 in 4-ever.

 

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11 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

I played soccer in HS, which is my favorite sport after football.  But yeah I can run but otherwise in football I wasn't much.   My kid is actually much better than I am at it.😀


Sip is our 9, we play the ball through & he’s gone. I don’t play video games, but if I was baited into playing FIFA, I just kicked that mf as far as I could & tried to chase it down .. but my guys never ran 4.4s... I couldn’t win when I was Brazil & my friend had to be Qatar. 😕

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