bearrock Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Four seasons is a ridiculously small sample size. Tigers world series losing team had Fielder and Cabrera both in top ten. Buster Posey only got a few million less than top paid position players. So if the Nats resigned Rendon and paid a few million in CBT penalty, they weren't going to contend? Or every GM in the majors will turn down taking on Trout's contract even if Angels put him on waiver and you could claim him outright? And when Soto commands top 10 money by the time he hits free agency, we better let him walk right? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, bearrock said: Four seasons is a ridiculously small sample size. Tigers world series losing team had Fielder and Cabrera both in top ten. Buster Posey only got a few million less than top paid position players. So if the Nats resigned Rendon and paid a few million in CBT penalty, they weren't going to contend? Or every GM in the majors will turn down taking on Trout's contract even if Angels put him on waiver and you could claim him outright? And when Soto commands top 10 money by the time he hits free agency, we better let him walk right? Give me a break. I mean it goes farther back if you look into it. The Rangers didn't come close to winning with A-Rod. After he left they made it to back to back World Series. The Giants made one World Series with Bonds. Shortly after he retired they won 3 in 5. The Angels haven't come close after signing Pujols to that mega deal. Meanwhile the Cards who let him go made it back to the World Series a year after he left and have been a solid year in year out contender since. History speaks for itself. If you want to win championships, you don't dole out big bucks for one position player. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: I mean it goes farther back if you look into it. The Rangers didn't come close to winning with A-Rod. After he left they made it to back to back World Series. The Giants made one World Series with Bonds. Shortly after he retired they won 3 in 5. The Angels haven't come close after signing Pujols to that mega deal. Meanwhile the Cards who let him go made it back to the World Series a year after he left and have been a solid year in year out contender since. History speaks for itself. If you want to win championships, you don't dole out big bucks for one position player. Yankees won with ARod. Tigers made the series with Fielder and Cabrera. Red Sox won with Manny and Papi getting paid. Team construct is about value. You need discounts somewhere. But you can put together a winner in any number of different ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Manfred makes Goodell look reasonable and competent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander -JB- Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 7:27 PM, bearrock said: Yankees won with ARod. Tigers made the series with Fielder and Cabrera. Red Sox won with Manny and Papi getting paid. Team construct is about value. You need discounts somewhere. But you can put together a winner in any number of different ways. The Tigers haven’t been close to relevant since Cabrera signed that massive contract a couple seasons after they made the WS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, -JB- said: The Tigers haven’t been close to relevant since Cabrera signed that massive contract a couple seasons after they made the WS. Cabrera and Fielder were still getting paid top 10 money in the year they went to the series. They gave him an 8 year extension that started when Cabrera hits age 33. That's a stupid contract. It would be a stupid contract even if they gave it to a dominant pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 seems like a pretty low return for Kluber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I didn't think there would be any chance of Cleveland moving Ramirez given that friendly contract, but if they're in a full rebuild firesale, maybe there's a chance. Seems like they could've drummed up someone to give more for Kluber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Floating around the rumor mill right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 So many fake bull**** accounts this time of year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Scott Boras has secured over a billion dollars for his clients this offseason. Boras should be in Cooperstown one day. You cant write the history of baseball without him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo#44 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 4 hours ago, StillUnknown said: Scott Boras has secured over a billion dollars for his clients this offseason. Boras should be in Cooperstown one day. You cant write the history of baseball without him. Never thought of this. Absolutely true--he has changed baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Long front office and coaching suspensions....... Wow that's gonna sting. Both times at the Dodgers expense. I almost feel bad for them... Edited January 7, 2020 by CRobi21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Unless you strip titles and/or give multi-year suspensions without pay, these teams will still cheat 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Yeah docking draft picks dont mean the same in this sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 This seems shockingly appropriate. I figured more of a slap on the wrist. https://theathletic.com/1529253/2020/01/13/exclusive-mlb-hands-down-unprecedented-penalties-for-astros-after-sign-stealing-investigation/ Quote In the most dramatic ruling of his five-year tenure, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred came down hard on the Astros Monday for illegally stealing signs during their World Series championship season in 2017. The unprecedented penalties are Manfred’s response to the damage the Astros inflicted on the sport’s integrity, and should serve as a powerful deterrent to any team that engages in such conduct in the future. The penalties, according to sources with knowledge of Manfred’s decision, include: • A one-year suspension for general manager Jeff Luhnow. • A one-year suspension for manager A.J. Hinch. • The forfeitures of first- and second-round draft picks in both 2020 and ’21. • A fine of $5 million, the maximum allowed under MLB’s constitution. • The placement of former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman on baseball’s ineligible list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Wow. They really brought the hammer down on the Astros... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Taubman was that doucheloaf that was inappropriate to the female sportswriter after the Astros won a game in the WS this past year. Do you think MLB was like "....yeah, well, I think we're off to a good start here with these punishments...but who was that guy that yelled at the reporters and was a jerk? Yeah, let's **** with that guy while we're at it!" If so, I applaud them. Though, I do find it interesting that Luhnow and Hinch get a 1 year suspension each. But what's it mean to be on the ineligible list? Is that a lifetime ban like Pete Rose got? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 3:50 PM, StillUnknown said: Yeah docking draft picks dont mean the same in this sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: But what's it mean to be on the ineligible list? Is that a lifetime ban like Pete Rose got? It is an indefinite suspension, not necessarily a lifetime ban. The Commissioner can put you on it and also take you off of it. Jenry Media of the Mets was put on it for repeatedly failing PED tests, but Manfred reinstated him last year. I think George Steinbrenner was put on the list for a few years, I can't remember what it was for though. Probably just being a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcl05 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Seems like a good punishment to me. Could have been worse, could have been less. This will hurt, and might (might) dissuade other cheaters from doing similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The punishments were appropriate and severe enough to send a message to other teams. Mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think there was some thought to how best to stop this going forward. You can't engage in a cheating of this magnitude without high ranking officials in the FO and manager signing off. Some are complaining that they'd gladly trade a WS ring for 2 years of 1st and 2nd, but for Hinch and Luhnow, they just lost a year's salary and this will forever be a stain on their resume. Hopefully, this will dissuade others from doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yea, I agree with the general sentiment. This seems harsh enough to deter this happening much in the future. Interesting that Alex Cora was (heavily) involved with both teams that have gotten caught, but I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere (I believe the RedSox are still being investigated). He might warrant inclusion on the Commissioner's List. Generally, I think punishments are usually too light (especially in the NCAA) because governing bodies don't want to undercut their profit centers. The Astros are a top team in a huge market, so kudos to Manfred for not letting them off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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