KingGibbs Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chachie said: Can you elaborate on this? Sure. Why the **** would anyone sit and watch a show where apparently there is detailed description of children being molested. What part don't you understand? Makes me wonder if some of those people would like to view the video of R Kelly with a 14 year old. I just don't get the fascination. Again. I think it's sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, KingGibbs said: Sure. Why the **** would anyone sit and watch a show where apparently there is detailed description of children being molested. What part don't you understand? Makes me wonder if some of those people would like to view the video of R Kelly with a 14 year old. I just don't get the fascination. Again. I think it's sick. This stuff sells. People eat it up, even though it may or may not be based in fact (these types of shows) and are USUALLY heavily edited to depict the exact story that the filmmaker what’s to tell. And people buy it all day long. Any time I see a documentary about a provocative subject like this, I always wonder who stands to gain the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, KingGibbs said: Sure. Why the **** would anyone sit and watch a show where apparently there is detailed description of children being molested. What part don't you understand? Makes me wonder if some of those people would like to view the video of R Kelly with a 14 year old. I just don't get the fascination. Again. I think it's sick. The part I didn't understand was you "questioning the mindset" of people who would watch it. It's a documentary, not a kiddie porn. If someone is making accusations like the ones made in the film, you want to hear their detail to... 1. help you decide if they are being earnest and/or truthful... or 2. understand what they went through. There are uncomfortable subjects in this world. You may want them covered up or you may want to ignore them and live without learning but not everyone wants that. In fact, I question YOUR mindset. A head in the sand is doomed to ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just so long as you realize that it’s entertainment, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Springfield said: Just so long as you realize that it’s entertainment, nothing more. Or in this case, educational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: Or in this case, educational. Beware of entertainment disguised as news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Springfield said: Beware of entertainment disguised as news. I guess we've got different definitions of what entertainment means. Watching these two guys tell their stories, watching their family members tell their stories, learning how a predator like Michael Jackson operated....and then learning about the aftermath, about how something like this can tear a family apart, how these two guys are still coping with it and understanding why it's so difficult for victims of sexual abuse to come forward was educational. It wasn't entertaining. There's no replay value here, there's no need to watch it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: I guess we've got different definitions of what entertainment means. Watching these two guys tell their stories, watching their family members tell their stories, learning how a predator like Michael Jackson operated....and then learning about the aftermath, about how something like this can tear a family apart, how these two guys are still coping with it and understanding why it's so difficult for victims of sexual abuse to come forward was educational. It wasn't entertaining. There's no replay value here, there's no need to watch it again. I’m not watching it. I already know that Jackson was a bad person and I doubt it stops with him. People like him aren’t simply born that way. I certainly believe that it was filmed and told in such a way to elicit the strongest emotional reaponse that it could. That is what makes it entertainment. It’s a one sided piece that plays to our basic emotions. I’d put it up there with “Making a Murderer” or “Serial”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Springfield said: Just so long as you realize that it’s entertainment, nothing more. I think there are a lot of instances in which you are 100% correct. Personally, I did not think this doc fell into that category. It's all about opinion and yours is absolutely valid but so is mine. I learned a lot from it and what a person takes from that information is what is important. There are those who only walk away with "juicy details" and "shocking secrets" and then there are folks who empathize, become more understanding, etc. The former are shallow and simple. The latter are trying to uncover a sickness and understand victims.. or even determine IF those people were actually victimized. 16 hours ago, Springfield said: People like him aren’t simply born that way. Edited for misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Chachie said: Well NOW ya done exposed your simple-mindedness. 😐 Im saying, given how his life turned out, I believe that he has elements of his life that made him into a weirdo molester wackjob. Probably starting at childhood. I believe that I read somewhere that kids who were molested as children were more likely to molest other children as adults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, Springfield said: I’m not watching it. I already know that Jackson was a bad person and I doubt it stops with him. People like him aren’t simply born that way. I certainly believe that it was filmed and told in such a way to elicit the strongest emotional reaponse that it could. That is what makes it entertainment. It’s a one sided piece that plays to our basic emotions. I’d put it up there with “Making a Murderer” or “Serial”. You’re passing a lot of strong opinions on something you’ve never watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, No Excuses said: You’re passing a lot of strong opinions on something you’ve never watched. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Springfield said: Im saying, given how his life turned out, I believe that he has elements of his life that made him into a weirdo molester wackjob. Probably starting at childhood. I believe that I read somewhere that kids who were molested as children were more likely to molest other children as adults. I do believe MJ was molested when he was a kid, I remember reading that somewhere. At the very least physically abused. That said, gotta agree with @No Excuses, you're making some strong opinions without watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 https://www.wsj.com/articles/simpsons-episode-featuring-michael-jacksons-voice-to-be-pulled-11552007802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chachie Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 16 hours ago, Springfield said: Im saying, given how his life turned out, I believe that he has elements of his life that made him into a weirdo molester wackjob. Probably starting at childhood. I believe that I read somewhere that kids who were molested as children were more likely to molest other children as adults. TOTALLY misread your post. I corrected my reply and apologize to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, ixcuincle said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/simpsons-episode-featuring-michael-jacksons-voice-to-be-pulled-11552007802 That was probably my favorite episode, too, growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 15 hours ago, Springfield said: Ok. Just watch it, or at least the first part. It's not a puff piece documentary that just let's the two guys describe their version of events. It asks difficult/uncomfortable questions and does a good job of letting the viewer come to their own conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Just watch it, or at least the first part. It's not a puff piece documentary that just let's the two guys describe their version of events. It asks difficult/uncomfortable questions and does a good job of letting the viewer come to their own conclusion. Alright. I’m not putting it high on my priority list, but when I have some spare time I suppose I’ll give it a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 20 hours ago, Springfield said: Alright. I’m not putting it high on my priority list, but when I have some spare time I suppose I’ll give it a shot. I don't think I could "find the time". By reading & keeping up on the doc here on ES, most folks are enlightened and disturbed...about something we all (kind of) knew. I'll still cry when I hear "Ben", or do a little dance to "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough"...lol, reverse skate...but I can get by just fine without further details. In my view, he was haunted by having everything except his own life. The Martin Bashir interview from the early 2000s was telling enough. Despite the entire world knowing the level of debt he carried, he could buy a 2 million dollar piece of art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 So...um.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 its absolutely free to shut the **** up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/7/2019 at 5:35 PM, Springfield said: I certainly believe that it was filmed and told in such a way to elicit the strongest emotional reaponse that it could. That is what makes it entertainment. It’s a one sided piece that plays to our basic emotions. I’d put it up there with “Making a Murderer” or “Serial”. I thought the same thing when I saw the reaction to the mj doc (I haven't seen it ether). I though it had to be one sided propaganda but it sounds like it's not. I saw on this forum the reaction to making a murderer and just from the criticism I decided not to watch because it was presented exactly how you say, to elicit an emotional response and get views, to make you think this was am innocent victim by presenting only facts that seemed to point to his innocence. I had the same thoughts about the Cyntoia Brown case. Going by the 140 character tweets, she waa one thing. Reading the actual facts of the case presented quite a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 **** Barbra Streisand. And anyone defending Michael Jackson needs to be asked if they'd have let their kids spend the night with him at Neverland Ranch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 11:27 AM, Spaceman Spiff said: **** Barbra Streisand. And anyone defending Michael Jackson needs to be asked if they'd have let their kids spend the night with him at Neverland Ranch. I think MJ was more than likely a pedophile, but that said, whether someone would let their kid sleepover at his house is kind of a ridiculous standard. I wouldn't let my kids spend the night with a lot of people I dont remotely think are pedophiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purbeast Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 3/23/2019 at 9:15 AM, grego said: I saw on this forum the reaction to making a murderer and just from the criticism I decided not to watch because it was presented exactly how you say, to elicit an emotional response and get views, to make you think this was am innocent victim by presenting only facts that seemed to point to his innocence. Well he may still be innocent. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/feb/27/making-a-murderers-steven-avery-granted-right-to-appeal-after-new-evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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