Mr. Sinister Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I'm sorry.... I can't see what you posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Especially commercial, top 40 so called artists. They did nothing but sing and play what they were told to. They dont write their own stuff Just figured it out, you’re a Russian bot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 So when I came here to ask this I realized the thread sort of blew up, and was thinking huh weird. And now I see. So, keeping in mind I didn't even read whatever that was.... Was he actually a good dude and we're sad he's gone? Or was he a bad dude we pretend wasn't so bad when they die and that others were really worse and/or the problem? I honestly am clueless on the TV preacher scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 hour ago, thinwhiteduke said: The phone version of the site never let's me finish what I'm trying to type.bounces all over the place pssst... that's part of the conspiracy. The man is trying to silence you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: I don’t either. But for the most part it’s all rosy and RIP in rock death threads. No one how in there and flames on the first page. One day, all of us are going to die. And that person(s) we have wronged willl have a chance to open both barrels on us. Wouldn’t we all prefer if everyone took the “don’t speak I’ll of the dead” approach to MOST people? I’m not suggesting Manson or Hitler or murderers. But most humans. I agree. I really don't go in RIP threads anynore, because so think they are largely overdone. I think and reflect on their passing in my own way, but I respect others wanting to honor their memory. I do think there is a time and place for everything, but I dunno, we're all a bit on edge, I guess. I knew it had potential to go south when the thread was posted. Maybe we all need to take a step back for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: I'm sorry.... I can't see what you posted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, Predicto said: *Dramatic squirrel* Pretty much like that, but right before it, the protagonist makes brief contact with the realm "far beyond"... just enough to hear a slight echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, tshile said: Was he actually a good dude and we're sad he's gone? Or was he a bad dude we pretend wasn't so bad when they die and that others were really worse and/or the problem? I honestly am clueless on the TV preacher scene. I think he was a well intentioned dude (with flaws), probably better than just about any other TV preacher, but he threw the first snowball at the top of that mountain and now Christian conservative identity politics has turned into... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 You know, I sort of defended thinwhiteduke in a previous thread. I take it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dan T. said: You know, I sort of defended thinwhiteduke in a previous thread. I take it back. Your point? What did I do that was wrong or insulting to another man? The correct answer is, I didnt. I'm defending mankind. I'm defending truth,reality and logic while others choose to think with emotion and false assumptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: Your point? What did I do that was wrong or insulting to another man? The correct answer is, I didnt. I'm defending mankind. I'm defending truth,reality and logic while others choose to think with emotion and false assumptions I'd rather you not talk to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Dan T. said: I'd rather you not talk to me. I'd rather someone had something intelligent to say,instead of childish jokes because they don't like someone who can think outside their limited conditioned logic. You are doing exactly what you were trained to do- not think. That's why and how they are able send guys to go die in wars like good little slaves. That's why and how they are able to make you go to church and read meaningless words.(well, meaningless in that you have no clue the actual agenda or meaning of the bible) What's even funnier is people believing god and war make sense combined lol You mock me and not a single one of you can prove anything in the media actually naturally,organically happened. You approach media the same way you approach god..you think believing is enough to prove it real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, thinwhiteduke said: I'd rather someone had something intelligent to say,instead of childish jokes because they don't like someone who can think outside their limited conditioned logic. You are doing exactly what you were trained to do- not think. That's why and how they are able send guys to go die in wars like good little slaves. That's why and how they are able to make you go to church and read meaningless words.(well, meaningless in that you have no clue the actual agenda or meaning of the bible) What's even funnier is people believing god and war make sense combined lol You mock me and not a single one of you can prove anything in the media actually naturally,organically happened. You approach media the same way you approach god..you think believing is enough to prove it real. You sort of went off in the other thread, and I just sort of watched. But why don't you try and put some reasoning behind some of your claims? Why don't you tell us what you think is naturally, organically happening and why you think that's the case? Or what you think the Bible means and its agenda is and how you came about that belief? Instead of just insulting people and throwing around insinuations, why don't you start trying to put some post together that actually make sense? You're so smart educate us. (And just so you know, I don't think you or I can prove the sun is yellow. I choose to believe it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 43 minutes ago, thinwhiteduke said: I'd rather someone had something intelligent to say,instead of childish jokes because they don't like someone who can think outside their limited conditioned logic. You are doing exactly what you were trained to do- not think. I say this with all sincerity. **** you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 hours ago, tshile said: Was he actually a good dude and we're sad he's gone? Or was he a bad dude we pretend wasn't so bad when they die and that others were really worse and/or the problem? I honestly am clueless on the TV preacher scene. It really depends on a lot of factors - especially religious affiliation, political leanings, and sexual orientation. Graham pitched a relatively wide tent and his circle of friends included Martin Luther King, Jr. and Richard Nixon (and maybe even Kim Il-Sung but the jury's out on that one). But as folks have mentioned in this thread, he was pretty gung-ho about Vietnam and he really didn't like the LGBTQIA+ community (apparently his ministry paid big money to get the word out to vote for Amendment 1 in North Carolina back in 2012). As far as how he compares to the TV Preachers, safe to say he out-classed all of them and preceded them - the Benny Hinn's and Jerry Fallwell's were the generation after Graham. Despite his more conservative brand of Christianity, he thought the "Moral Majority" and 700 Club set were too much. Overall, Graham's legacy is mixed but his influence is undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwhiteduke Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, Dan T. said: I say this with all sincerity. **** you. Exactly,You prove my point emphatically. Lol. Fear of the unknown leads to childish insults. I've Done nothing but present ideas, yet you insult me? You are thoroughly confused as to who the bad guy is here, or what the actual negative is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I'll admit, I used to confuse him with Pat Robertson I knew so little about him, glad for the clarification. Apparently he bailed MLK, jr out of jail one time, but he's still just as divisive as Pat, maybe even more. I hope he's in Heaven, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 How do we know that Billy Graham even existed? It sounds like a made-up name created to pacify the masses. Initials BG for Being Gullible. Wake up people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 hours ago, thinwhiteduke said: The phone version of the site never let's me finish what I'm trying to type.bounces all over the place It wouldn't matter if you had a desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Renegade7 said: It wouldn't matter if you had a desktop. Shouldn't matter at all. I only come here on my phone and never have a problem. Id 10-T error if you ask me. Back on topic..BG isn't one I'd gleefully stomp on their grave. Pat Robertson. Jerry Falwell. Yep. Yep. But then again, I'm a heathen. What's your excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, The Evil Genius said: Shouldn't matter at all. I only come here on my phone and never have a problem. Id 10-T error if you ask me. Yep, definitely a layer 8 issue in OSI, no firmware update can fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Renegade7 said: I'll admit, I used to confuse him with Pat Robertson I knew so little about him, glad for the clarification. Apparently he bailed MLK, jr out of jail one time, but he's still just as divisive as Pat, maybe even more. I hope he's in Heaven, too. This is one of the reasons why my take on Graham and his legacy is a darker shade of gray. I really don't like the impact he had on American Christianity, putting everything apart from conservative, fundamentalism firmly in the "irrelevant" bin, and I certainly don't like most of his political ideals (especially the homophobia and red batting). But I can't completely toss him aside because he took some pretty bold stances on integration early in his career when he could have just gotten along to get along. His friendship with MLK shouldn't be under-estimated, either. Dr. King wasn't exactly everybody's favorite and that, too, could have killed Graham's rising star. Does that absolve him from the homophobia, antisemitism, and reactionary ideology in my book? Absolutely not but with folks like Graham, I try to look at the whole picture. I felt the same way about Hefner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 10:13 AM, thebluefood said: This is one of the reasons why my take on Graham and his legacy is a darker shade of gray. I really don't like the impact he had on American Christianity, putting everything apart from conservative, fundamentalism firmly in the "irrelevant" bin, and I certainly don't like most of his political ideals (especially the homophobia and red batting). But I can't completely toss him aside because he took some pretty bold stances on integration early in his career when he could have just gotten along to get along. His friendship with MLK shouldn't be under-estimated, either. Dr. King wasn't exactly everybody's favorite and that, too, could have killed Graham's rising star. Does that absolve him from the homophobia, antisemitism, and reactionary ideology in my book? Absolutely not but with folks like Graham, I try to look at the whole picture. I felt the same way about Hefner. Billy Graham later apologized to Jews for what was said to Nixon. He was also one of the prominent people who called out his own denomination on racism in its ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Zguy28 said: Billy Graham later apologized to Jews for what was said to Nixon. He was also one of the prominent people who called out his own denomination on racism in its ranks. He also supported Nelson Mandela while he was still in prison. I'm not taking any of that away from him. But I'm also not forgetting his support for using nuclear bombs to destroy North Vietnamese dams (something even Henry Kissenger couldn't support) and his support of anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation like Amendment One. And I co-sign on Dr. Barth's assessment of his preaching style and theological bent (referenced on the last page). Now, ff my assessment of Rev. Graham has been harsh, then so be it. I lean more toward the side of Dorothy Day, Father Tom Haggerty, and Archbishop Oscar Romero than Rev. Graham (it's a wonder I'm still Episcopalian) so it is hard for me to not vehemently oppose him and large parts of his legacy, even as I give him tribute for his accomplishments. And I know Christ warned us: Quote Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. I am aware of that warning but I fully expect to be judged by humanity and God for the times I have fallen short of supporting humanity's complete and irreversible liberation (on which I base my theology and political ideology) so that life on Earth is as it is in Heaven (or at least as close as we can get to it). I can't pass judgement on Graham in total and I especially cannot judge the fate of his Immortal Soul (should the Immortal Soul exist) but I can assess his actions based on what's available and I cannot give a glowing commendation to his overall legacy - even as I do my best to give him his just due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 16 hours ago, thebluefood said: He also supported Nelson Mandela while he was still in prison. I'm not taking any of that away from him. But I'm also not forgetting his support for using nuclear bombs to destroy North Vietnamese dams (something even Henry Kissenger couldn't support) and his support of anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation like Amendment One. And I co-sign on Dr. Barth's assessment of his preaching style and theological bent (referenced on the last page). Now, ff my assessment of Rev. Graham has been harsh, then so be it. I lean more toward the side of Dorothy Day, Father Tom Haggerty, and Archbishop Oscar Romero than Rev. Graham (it's a wonder I'm still Episcopalian) so it is hard for me to not vehemently oppose him and large parts of his legacy, even as I give him tribute for his accomplishments. And I know Christ warned us: I am aware of that warning but I fully expect to be judged by humanity and God for the times I have fallen short of supporting humanity's complete and irreversible liberation (on which I base my theology and political ideology) so that life on Earth is as it is in Heaven (or at least as close as we can get to it). I can't pass judgement on Graham in total and I especially cannot judge the fate of his Immortal Soul (should the Immortal Soul exist) but I can assess his actions based on what's available and I cannot give a glowing commendation to his overall legacy - even as I do my best to give him his just due. You don't believe that the soul is everlasting? Neo-orthodoxy is notoriously ambiguous. How do you know anything with that system? Regarding preaching: Have you ever listened to Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones? From the same era, but I much prefer him. https://www.mljtrust.org/sermons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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