skinsmarydu Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Willie Geist just said there were only 48 homicides all last year in NZ, 49 in one day with this attack. 😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, visionary said:   Good lord man. He couldn't have waited a few days, or weeks, before you go there? 49 freaking people are dead. Unreal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I wouldn’t be shutting down my mosque, but i would be arming it.  And arming churches/mosques is a horrible idea. Riiiiiight...because the world responds so well to a bunch of Muslims with guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Some crazy people out there. I need to carry more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 51 minutes ago, skinsmarydu said: Willie Geist just said there were only 48 homicides all last year in NZ, 49 in one day with this attack. 😥  Oh my god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, sportjunkie07 said: Some crazy people out there. I need to carry more often.  I'm beginning to feel the same, though I still feel like it would ultimately do more harm than good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:  I'm beginning to feel the same, though I still feel like it would ultimately do more harm than good The key difference between the shooter and a victim with a gun is mental preparation. While you're processing your OODA Loop he's already killed you. He's been living and preparing for this moment for years, everyone in front of him is fodder. You on the other hand are in shock, denial, fear all while trying to assess scene and threats and decide how best to respond. The shooter is prepared to die, you're not. This is why the odds are stacked so heavily against you. It's why even cops freeze. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportjunkie07 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:  I'm beginning to feel the same, though I still feel like it would ultimately do more harm than good Train then.  My church has armed officers and has for a while.  I do think this tragedy will fuel the fire between the Muslim world and the everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 It's not the training part that concerns me (though I do agree it is essential), it's being a brown person with a gun in a potentially chaotic situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said: It's not the training part that concerns me (though I do agree it is essential), it's being a brown person with a gun in a potentially chaotic situation. You mean someone might shoot your ass because of their racist assumptions? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, visionary said:   What the ****? There's no way that's real right? Shortened: "I don't condone violence but here's why Muslims have it coming."  In my own personal dictatorship, comments like that would be considered incitement of murder, punishable every bit as harshly as the murder itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Riiiiiight...because the world responds so well to a bunch of Muslims with guns.  I feel you but I worry shutting the doors will just tell the deranged that the attacks worked and got the results wanted. I would rather harden the target (lets remember im against that when it comes to schools) than tell the people doing this that it worked.  Thats my fear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 The senators comments are despicable. Â Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Llevron said:  I feel you but I worry shutting the doors will just tell the deranged that the attacks worked and got the results wanted. I would rather harden the target (lets remember im against that when it comes to schools) than tell the people doing this that it worked.  Thats my fear. Or they arm themselves and images of from  New Zealand show up with heavily armed Muslims in mosques. The looney already will believe this is a false flag, that image will only solidify that belief. And then a year from now Faux News splashes the images while talking about militant Muslims amongst the "good people". 3 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: The senators comments are despicable.   There was a time when that would be enough...that time has passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I was reading on CNN, they arrested 3 men and a woman. Not often you see a woman perpetrating something like this. One apparently is from Australia, they haven't said anything about the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 White supremacists have been targeting minorities in their places of worship pretty much this entire decade in Western countries.  Maybe at some point we will look inwards and recognize that we have a growing problem of radicalization amongst young white men. 2 hours ago, grego said:  Good lord man. He couldn't have waited a few days, or weeks, before you go there? 49 freaking people are dead. Unreal.  Are you implying that there is an appropriate time to victim blame in this situation? Maybe wait a few days before blaming those radical Muslims for bringing this upon themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, No Excuses said:   Are you implying that there is an appropriate time to victim blame in this situation? Maybe wait a few days before blaming those radical Muslims for bringing this upon themselves?  that was sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, grego said:  that was sarcasm  Good one! 👉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Extremist white men are the scourge of the Earth. Â I'm white and I'm more afraid of middle aged white men then I am any other demographic. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Destino said: Video is a nightmare made real if the link I saw is legit.  I hate saying this, but this needs to be on TV.  People need to see what gun violence actually is. 59 minutes ago, Warhead36 said: Extremist white men are the scourge of the Earth.  I'm white and I'm more afraid of middle aged white men then I am any other demographic. And yet they have somehow convinced the world that black and brown people are the dangers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I like how the NZ officials have kept this guys name out of the press as best as they can. If this happened in the States, by now we'd know his name, seen all his facebook photos, heard from tearful family members and scanned his tweets for signals about what he was gonna do.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Anyone care to parse this out? Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I hate saying this, but this needs to be on TV.  People need to see what gun violence actually is. Wouldn't hurt to show people why the only options are fight or flight either.  You either run away or at the shooter, trying to look non threatening and hoping they go away is a death sentence.  It's unfair to say that to people, but watching him shoot people cowering makes it clear.  heart breaking and infuriating.    1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: I hate saying this, but this needs to be on TV.  People need to see what gun violence actually is.   I absolutely understand your argument here and almost agree with it, however.. what is eye opening to most could be inspiration to others that are truly sick. While seeing the devastation firsthand could help influence some opinions, it could also directly lead to more of these tragedies in the near term. Risk isn't worth it imo.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Destino said: Wouldn't hurt to show people why the only options are fight or flight either.  You either run away or at the shooter, trying to look non threatening and hoping they go away is a death sentence.  It's unfair to say that to people, but watching him shoot people cowering makes it clear.  heart breaking and infuriating.    Exactly. That "good guy with a gun" thing goes away when someone is spraying a semi-automatic at you and you don't have time to react.  19 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said:  I absolutely understand your argument here and almost agree with it, however.. what is eye opening to most could be inspiration to others that are truly sick. While seeing the devastation firsthand could help influence some opinions, it could also directly lead to more of these tragedies in the near term. Risk isn't worth it imo.  I am not disagreeing with that at all, but I think those truly sick people didn't need help to do this. I am talking about the people who don't think this stuff is a big deal because they have no idea what its like. Seeing a body get sprayed into pieces and seeing the look of fear on peoples faces may change things for those in the middle.  Westerners don't understand the true horror of gun violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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