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Presidential Election 2020 - ManChild vs Adult

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36 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

Whoever the D nominee is, the Bernie Bros better not wreck this election too. If they truly are progressives, they need to get over Bernie losing again and fully support the D nominee. Otherwise, what exactly are they fighting for in the D party? 4 more years of neoconservative teabaggery?

 

Also..I'd almost say it's even money the nominee is Biden (if he runs) or someone lesser known (to most people) right now. Someone like Jay Inslee or Sherrod Brown. 

 

Biden will probably not run or will get #metooed.

I expect Kamala....unless she blows it.

 

Expecting folk to support what they don't want is not very realistic in most cases, be they Bernie Bros or Never Trumpers

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3 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said:

But no doubt the elections were run poorly (hindsight and all). But the new young left Bernie Bros absolutely assisted in testing down HRC and then not voting for her when she won the nomination. To me, that cannot continue unless the Bernie Bros are truly just in this for themselves. And even then, them assisting neocon teabaggers doesn't make sense (to me).

 

Only half of that is sorta true.

 

If a Bernie bro was a Dem, they voted Dem, same as all other democrats.

 

If they voted Bernie, then against Clinton, you're talking about the extreme 10% fringe.

 

Where do we get this idea that 100% of said group of Americans will act according to their own interests when we know this country is full of petty dumbasses?

 

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6 minutes ago, twa said:

I expect Kamala....unless she blows it.

 

She already is imo. Announcing nearly two years out is a mistake. Especially with the Mnuchin story. Definitely not the biggest story. Taking a campaign contribution from Mnuchin after choosing not to prosecute him isn't going to play well tho in the primary. Especially with all her corporate and wall street backing.

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4 minutes ago, clietas said:

 

She already is imo. Announcing nearly two years out is a mistake. Especially with the Mnuchin story. Definitely not the biggest story. Taking a campaign contribution from Mnuchin after choosing not to prosecute him isn't going to play well tho in the primary. Especially with all her corporate and wall street backing.

 

I think you have it backwards. More time is more time for people to forget or for her to find a "good enough" explanation for the people who already want to back her or who "have to" in the event it becomes her verses a greater evil. 

 

I hope what I typed made sense I feel like it may not. 

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The Dems will do what they usually always do during a primary, use the progressive candidates to try and energize the youth and get more people engaged in the process, but then ultimately go with the most centrist candidate available on the stage.  The centrist of course will be labeled a socialist by right wing media anyway so the actual benefit of going the "safe route" will evaporate and it will likely come down to the same 80,000 - 500,000 voters in a handful of small middle America states.

 

I guess you could say I am a bit cynical. 

 

Not that Meghan McCain is any kind of litmus test for political commentary expertise, but she provided somewhat of a microscope into the "I don't like Trump, but..." GOP voter.  She's spent the last 6 months praising Biden and saying that he would be a good centrist candidate, but the minute she was actually asked about voting for him over Trump she went right back to the "well, I...umm....if he wins the primary and then goes way left, I am not going to vote for socialism" (paraphrasing).   It's all just lip service nonsense with a lot of the so-called moderate GOP.    

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3 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I think you have it backwards. More time is more time for people to forget or for her to find a "good enough" explanation for the people who already want to back her or who "have to" in the event it becomes her verses a greater evil. 

 

I hope what I typed made sense I feel like it may not. 

 

It does. I really hope you're right. 

 

Historically tho announcing ones campaign to early has been detrimental. Especially if you're the frontrunner. 

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5 minutes ago, clietas said:

 

She already is imo. Announcing nearly two years out is a mistake. Especially with the Mnuchin story. Definitely not the biggest story. Taking a campaign contribution from Mnuchin after choosing not to prosecute him isn't going to play well tho in the primary. Especially with all her corporate and wall street backing.

 

Regarding the early announcement:  the official televised debates start in 4 months.  As such, everyone has to be in well before the beginning of June or they'll get left out.  By announcing in January, she made sure her announcement gets all of the attention, rather than being one of 15 or so people that announce in February and March.  

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Im not sure it'll be smart to be in those first few debates. With 20 plus candidates how many tiers will there be? 3 maybe 4?

 

Those two tier debates in 2016 were god awful. The B card was pointless.

 

It'll be kinda fun I guess. Circus n whatnot.

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10 minutes ago, clietas said:

Im not sure it'll be smart to be in those first few debates. With 20 plus candidates how many tiers will there be? 3 maybe 4?

 

Those two tier debates in 2016 were god awful. The B card was pointless.

 

It'll be kinda fun I guess. Circus n whatnot.

 

Yea, it will be interesting.  My understanding is that the first debates will be on 2 consecutive nights, and the participants will be randomly selected for which night, not selected by tiers.  Participation will be based on both polling and fundraising.  

 

And look, tiers, in the eyes of the public, are inevitable.  If you don't even get invited, you are finished.  If people like Pete Buttiwhatever wan't to be taken seriously, they need to crush an early debate.  That's just a fact when you are currently the mayor of a college town in Indiana rather than a governor or senator.  

 

I'm looking forward to seeing what people say.  Right now, I'm keeping an open mind for who my ultimate person is, and I look forward to a battle of ideas and personalities between Harris and Biden and Warren and Beto and Klobachar and sure, that Pete guy and others.  There are, certainly, a few people that I don't need any more information about, including Bernie and Starbucks guy and Tulsi Gabbard. 

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She just has to be Charismatic and hit Michigan, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania hard

I like her and will be voting for her..... If she can get a Beto as her VP.... It just might work.... 

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Seriously Ted you couldn't wait a week? 🙄 

 

In his mind dudes already picking out the drapes for his spiffy new Senate office.

 

 

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I don't want 10+ candidates. Give me 3-5 really strong ones and let them duke it out for the nom.

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3 hours ago, clietas said:

 

She already is imo. Announcing nearly two years out is a mistake. Especially with the Mnuchin story. Definitely not the biggest story. Taking a campaign contribution from Mnuchin after choosing not to prosecute him isn't going to play well tho in the primary. Especially with all her corporate and wall street backing.

 

I agree with spending too much time with an official target on her.  But like has been said, we demand perfect candidates as a reaction to Trump we'll get 4 more years of him.

 

Biden/Harris for 2020

 

Recording own hall tonight so open to changing my mind

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2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

I don't want 10+ candidates. Give me 3-5 really strong ones and let them duke it out for the nom.

How to you get this without it looking like DNC is picking the candidates?

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The ego on this asshole. The electoral college will not give you a victory. Go home and be a family man.

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8 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

The Dems will do what they usually always do during a primary, use the progressive candidates to try and energize the youth and get more people engaged in the process, but then ultimately go with the most centrist candidate available on the stage.  The centrist of course will be labeled a socialist by right wing media anyway so the actual benefit of going the "safe route" will evaporate and it will likely come down to the same 80,000 - 500,000 voters in a handful of small middle America states.

 

I guess you could say I am a bit cynical. 

 

Not that Meghan McCain is any kind of litmus test for political commentary expertise, but she provided somewhat of a microscope into the "I don't like Trump, but..." GOP voter.  She's spent the last 6 months praising Biden and saying that he would be a good centrist candidate, but the minute she was actually asked about voting for him over Trump she went right back to the "well, I...umm....if he wins the primary and then goes way left, I am not going to vote for socialism" (paraphrasing).   It's all just lip service nonsense with a lot of the so-called moderate GOP.    

 

Pretty much on point, though I'll add that I'm dissapointed in Meghan for ending it like that, really intelligent conservatives know how much they agree with is actually in the democratic party and siding with them too much means they won't get what they want that they disagree with them on.  That's really the Moderate Republican in a nutshell, imo.

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I think he could act as a third option for disgruntled Trump voters who don't want to touch the "D", but are tired of Agent Orange's shenanigans.

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33 minutes ago, FanboyOf91 said:
I think he could act as a third option for disgruntled Trump voters who don't want to touch the "D", but are tired of Agent Orange's shenanigans.

The constituency that makes sense is Never Trump Republicans. People that would be more likely to vote for third party. Even then running on a platform of don't tax my billions is a political loser. Trump lied and talked about his taxes going up and chumps ate it up.

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This is actually kind of great. My sense of duty as a patriotic Ameican and my overwhelming urge to dunk on assholes have coverged. My mission, should I choose to accept it (and I do) is to support and participate in, as much as possible, the public shaming and furious discouragement of Howard Schultz’ egomaniacal Presidential ambitions.

 

Let it be shouted from sea to shining sea that everywhere he goes, he shall be heckled by my brothers and sisters.

 

Every venue in which he appears to talk to the people he will be met with invective and mockery.  

 

Every spoken word shall be rejoined by shouts of “asshole!” and “****sucker!”  

 

Every smug, entitled utterance on Twitter that he knows better than anyone else shall be ratioed to holy hell.

 

Each and every smarmy, anguished announcement that HE represents some fictional silent majority shall be countered with righteous fury and jokes about making me coffee, ****.

 

AND YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME IS THE LORD WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE. 

 

 

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She put in work and not trying to hide it.  She's showing this matters to her... maybe a little too much.

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In an environment where the anti-Trump is at a fever pitch on the left and people are eagerly waiting for 2020 to come around, getting out there early and being the center of attention may be a really good strategy.  Bet lot of dem circle discussion for the next few days or more will center on Harris and in mostly a positive way.  

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