LD0506 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Popeman38 said: So you want to move trials to area you know you can get the outcome you desire? That can't be abused or anything... Some fun has been had. But then I have to get dirty and defend their right to exist and protest. Denying them the chance to protest sets the stage for the govt to prevent any group from protesting under the guise of public safety. Then I feel all gross and no amount of alcohol or showering helps. God luv ya, I couldn't agree more. I support their right to free speech, it is most important when you disagree with it. There has been a LOT of over the top rhetoric from many sides this year, but in the end if you genuinely believe in the ideals framed in the Constitution then you have to abide by them, dance with one that brung ya kinda thing. Of course none of that prevents me from wanting to beat some sense (or at least civility) into some of them w/ a teeball bat................. doesn't mean I would, but I'd still like to, and tbh they aren't the only ones on my list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) It's ****ing ridiculous to accuse us of not respecting the Constitution when Republicans are trying like hell to keep people from voting. I support free speech and right to PEACEABLY assemble. Carrying deadly weapons to a protest is the antithesis of Peaceable assembly, and the presence of deadly weapons should be denied, notwithstanding the Second Amendment. Trials are moved all the time for various reasons including a jury pool tainted by publicity. If it's a Federal trial, there's no reason why a trial can't be moved to a different part of the country where publicity hasn't tainted the jury pool. Example: McVeigh's trial was transferred from OK City to Denver. I'm sure there are many other examples. And for what it's worth, I am getting sick of being accused of not being a patriot and not respecting the Constitution when a bunch of us are more respecting of the Constitution and people's citizenship rights than people who are either actively engaged in denying people's right to vote or support those who are. Edited August 23, 2017 by LadySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Well that's the game @LadySkinsFan Some people will literally accuse you of exactly what they are doing and most of the time it's just for pointing out what they are doing. Lying media. Free speech. Right to assemble. Freedom of religion. Racism. Could go in for days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 55 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: I don't think moving a trial away from the area it happened in is a good idea, in general. The orginal post I responded to was: That statement is working to achieve the desired result: jail. If you start with a verdict, and work your way back to rig the process (either way), the justice system is worthless. I understand moving a trial to get an unbiased jury pool. But moving it in order to get the desired outcome? Antithetical to our justice system. At that point, the trial becomes state theater. Our justice system is already worthless, and has been worthless since it's inception. We need to stop putting lipstick on this pig and make drastic changes. Moving a trial isn't due to making sure someone goes to jail, when presently it's a guarantee they won't. It's trying to remove the bias that's already present. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Projection, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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visionary Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 4 hours ago, LadySkinsFan said: Putin was raised in a ****ized version of communism. Putin is more right wing/authoritarian and has more in common with our home grown right wing authoritarians. No wonder they are so simpatico, they want to rule by dictatorship.. That said...Putin and co. still have to appeal to the communists at times to keep them happy. Plus they like to brag about their history (even including Stalin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Agreed with your point. Just like our right wingers call themselves patriots while they are trying to kill the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 Some "Antifa thugs" we can all rally behind: members of the CNT/FAI militias who fought Franco's blackshirts in Spain. They ultimately lost but fought hard against a great evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Gamebreaker said: Our justice system is already worthless, and has been worthless since it's inception. We need to stop putting lipstick on this pig and make drastic changes. Moving a trial isn't due to making sure someone goes to jail, when presently it's a guarantee they won't. It's trying to remove the bias that's already present. Name one better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Popeman38 said: Name one better. Japan I think you're asking about a better justice system. Though I'm kinda stunned someone would be defending it that adamantly so maybe I'm misreading you. I'm joining this discussion late. Anyway...wanted to post this in here too just to make sure people know what's going on Edited August 24, 2017 by BornaSkinsFan83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebluefood Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, visionary said: /pol/ gonna /pol/ Nothing new and we can expect much, much more in the future. Edited August 24, 2017 by thebluefood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 That punch White women thing is wild. And I know half of the people seeing it really actually believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney B Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 25 minutes ago, Llevron said: That punch White women thing is wild. And I know half of the people seeing it really actually believe it. Is none chance, my friend, that these are make in Russia. None chance in world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Popeman38 said: Name one better. Exactly how is this response supposed to excuse widespread prosecutorial misconduct, openly biased Judges, and a system designed to allow you to get away with murder, literally, if you can afford it? But ruin your life over crimes that aren't even a felony if you're poor. I'm not playing this game, our justice system is trash. If you don't agree, please mount a defense of this system that doesn't come down to comparing it to even worse justice systems that are irrelevant. Edited August 24, 2017 by Gamebreaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB452 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Student groups at the University of Virginia have issued a list of demands that includes racial quotas and mandatory “education” about Thomas Jefferson’s connection to white supremacy. The ultimatum was issued Monday during a rally to “send a message to the university that we demand more from them [sic] in these times" following a white supremacist rally that overran campus. More info here, plus the full list of demands: https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9630 When did NAACP change from National Association for the Advancement of Colored People to National Organization for the Association of Colored People? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MarkB452 said: Student groups at the University of Virginia have issued a list of demands that includes racial quotas and mandatory “education” about Thomas Jefferson’s connection to white supremacy. The ultimatum was issued Monday during a rally to “send a message to the university that we demand more from them [sic] in these times" following a white supremacist rally that overran campus. More info here, plus the full list of demands: https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9630 When did NAACP change from National Association for the Advancement of Colored People to National Organization for the Association of Colored People? Hmmm...some of these demands are perfectly reasonable and others are somewhat misguided and optimistic. All are preferable to armed gangs of Nazis patrolling the streets. I'm not sure what you're going for with the NAACP comment. Edited August 24, 2017 by TryTheBeal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkB452 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: I'm not sure what you're going for with the NAACP comment If you can not get that name right, did you really get approval from this group or do you not know what NAACP means? Does no open flames include people with candles? $100K at 8% from 1921 to now is around $1.7 Million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Aaaah...A typo. Kudos to you for reading all the way through and discovering it (just joking, we know you didn't do that). 1.7 million is small change for UVA. Not that it's gonna happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, Gamebreaker said: Exactly how is this response supposed to excuse widespread prosecutorial misconduct, openly biased Judges, and a system designed to allow you to get away with murder, literally, if you can afford it? But ruin your life over crimes that aren't even a felony if you're poor. I'm not playing this game, our justice system is trash. If you don't agree, please mount a defense of this system that doesn't come down to comparing it to even worse justice systems that are irrelevant. Our justice system is flawed. Their are a plethora of issues with it, and I don't claim it is perfect. But it is still the best in the world. While we should never stop trying to improve on it, calling for us to abandon it is pointless. Not trying to be an ass. Not trying to provoke and argument. But sometimes it seems like you advocate going back to a wild west scenario where people decide what is right and wrong and how to remedy things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 14 hours ago, BornaSkinsFan83 said: Japan I think you're asking about a better justice system. Though I'm kinda stunned someone would be defending it that adamantly so maybe I'm misreading you. I'm joining this discussion late. You would really rather have your fate decided by a single judge? After being denied legal counsel or contact with anyone for 48 hours, during which you are interrogated and threatened? http://skeptikai.com/2013/09/28/the-whole-story-on-japans-99-conviction-rate-and-the-corruption-that-follows/ Japan is not a country we should model our justice system after. Ours is far from perfect, and it needs to be improved drastically, so don't take my point to be that ours is fine. It's just the best model out there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 Yea its not Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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