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The State of the GOP: With All the White Supremacists, Conspiracy Nutters, and Other Malicious Ignorant Subgroups, How Does It Get Fixed?


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They actually believe their hatred will help their own lives by enabling them to finally get rid of that which makes their lives bad.

 

In other words, fascism.

 

It isn't shocking that people fell for it again. 
What is shocking is when it does not affect a society. It is a constant fight to keep it down. We used to know this, and now we fail to acknowledge the lessons learned by our grandparents and great grandparents. In fact, the American right embraces those they fought against. It is sickening, it is traitorous, and as history has shown, there is only one way it ends no matter how much good people hope otherwise. There's two sides in every fight, and if one side wants to fight, the other best be ready. And those who push the buttons of the absolute idiots on the right clearly want this fight. 

 

Even if you thought i was nuts for these last couple of years ringing my alarm and saying these things.. at this point ask yourself which is more likely?
A peaceful election in which a fair ballot decides the President, and if it goes by way of predictors and polls, that the current POTUS leaves peacefully, telling his followers that the American process has worked again... 
Or him claiming foul and fraud, locking things up legally and refusing to abdicate the White House.. soon followed by violence across the country which he will incite?


Time is ticking. Be ready.

~Bang

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Not surprised at anything at this point.  You don't hammer daily that things are rigged and/or it is impossible for you to lose unless you have plans in place to take action on those words.  A lot of people are holding out hope that this is just all Trump blustering and ways to turn out his supporters in higher numbers.   I hope the later is true, but I wouldn't bet on it. 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Not surprised at anything at this point.  You don't hammer daily that things are rigged and/or it is impossible for you to lose unless you have plans in place to take action on those words. 

 

Are you literally saying that Donald Trump doesn't say things without a long term, organized, plan in place?  

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4 hours ago, Larry said:

 

Are you literally saying that Donald Trump doesn't say things without a long term, organized, plan in place?  

 

Honestly, I find him to be far too much a dope to have plans in place, but those around him do, and they know Trump is the guy who is shameless enough to actually go out and execute them.

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26 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

Honestly, I find him to be far too much a dope to have plans in place, but those around him do, and they know Trump is the guy who is shameless enough to actually go out and execute them.

 

Nonsense. His long-term plan in every instance is litigation. Bend the rules, exploit the grey areas.... and then have lawyers do the rest and draw things out as long as possible.

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3 minutes ago, Die Hard said:

 

Nonsense. His long-term plan in every instance is litigation. Bend the rules, exploit the grey areas.... and then have lawyers do the rest and draw things out as long as possible.

 

This is true, and in the private sector that is usually how everything works.  In the public sector, if we had representatives who were interested in protecting our institutions  over mass grabbing of power & money,  Trump would have been sitting in a jail cell a long time ago.  He simply can't pull this stuff off in gov't without others around him facilitating it.  

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2 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

 

This is true, and in the private sector that is usually how everything works.  In the public sector, if we had representatives who were interested in protecting our institutions  over mass grabbing of power & money,  Trump would have been sitting in a jail cell a long time ago.  He simply can't pull this stuff off in gov't without others around him facilitating it.  


Sure, whatever. 🙂 He has enablers. He knows this already. As does literally everyone else. 
 

The only question remains, what are democrats going to do about it? Because it seems like even the courts are impotent.

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It’s hilarious when you hear a republican say that this isn’t the real gop, nothing is more representative of who they’ve always been than what we see today; thus trumps all time high popularity among gop voters. 

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Why is it that a lot of republicans feel like a person is cheating if they don’t have to suffer the same amount in life that they did for success or shelter or dignity or the basic ability to live and be happy?

 

Why are they so miserly with wanting to help people and see it as something is being taken away from them? Yet, they are perfectly fine with those above them taking from them? 

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20 minutes ago, Fresh8686 said:

Why is it that a lot of republicans feel like a person is cheating if they don’t have to suffer the same amount in life that they did for success or shelter or dignity or the basic ability to live and be happy?

 

Why are they so miserly with wanting to help people and see it as something is being taken away from them? Yet, they are perfectly fine with those above them taking from them? 

Because they are stupid. The only demographic that Trump is leading in is white men without a college degree. My wife's dad and stepmother are trumpers but are living off social security and other benefits and are too clueless to realize that they are voting against their own interests. Its a shame because they are otherwise very nice and caring people.

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I actually approve of Junior taking over the RNC.  

 

They'll rob it blind.  And have no ability to harm the country, just the RNC.  

 

Unfortunately, I suspect the RNC is way too smart to let them.  

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Trump blows a hole in the GOP on his way out

 

Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the presidential election have met with defeat in every swing state and in nearly every court where his cases have been heard. But Trump’s campaign to pressure GOP elected officials to support his baseless claims of a rigged election — and his success in convincing a majority of the party that widespread voter fraud occurred — is already showing signs of having far-reaching effects that will reshape the Republican Party for years to come.

 

State party chairs are tearing into their governors. Elected officials are knifing one another in the back. Failed candidates are seizing on Trump’s rhetoric to claim they were also victims of voter fraud in at least a half dozen states.

 

As his presidency comes to a close, Trump has not only imprinted his smash-mouth style on the GOP, he has wrenched open the schism between the activist class and the elected class, according to interviews with more than a dozen Republican Party officials and strategists in the states.

 

“This is Hatfield and McCoy stuff, but it’s McCoy on McCoy, or Hatfield on Hatfield,” said Michael Brodkorb, a former deputy chair of the Minnesota Republican Party. “To see activists across the country really just with pitchforks and torches at the capitols … it’s just bonkers.”

 

In the short term, the forces unleashed by Trump threaten the party’s prospects in the Jan. 5 Georgia Senate runoff. But the infighting also stands to reshape the party for the long haul, with implications for the midterm elections and the presidential nominating contest in 2024.

 

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‘An Indelible Stain’: How the G.O.P. Tried to Topple a Pillar of Democracy

 

The Supreme Court repudiation of President Trump’s desperate bid for a second term not only shredded his effort to overturn the will of voters: It also was a blunt rebuke to Republican leaders in Congress and the states who were willing to damage American democracy by embracing a partisan power grab over a free and fair election.

 

The court’s decision on Friday night, an inflection point after weeks of legal flailing by Mr. Trump and ahead of the Electoral College vote for President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Monday, leaves the president’s party in an extraordinary position. Through their explicit endorsements or complicity of silence, much of the G.O.P. leadership now shares responsibility for the quixotic attempt to ignore the nation’s founding principles and engineer a different verdict from the one voters cast in November.

 

Many regular Republicans supported this effort, too — a sign that Mr. Trump has not just bent the party to his will, but pressed a mainstay of American politics for nearly two centuries into the service of overturning an election outcome and assaulting public faith in the electoral system. The G.O.P. sought to undo the vote by such spurious means that the Supreme Court quickly rejected the argument.

 

Even some Republican leaders delivered a withering assessment of the 126 G.O.P. House members and 18 attorneys general who chose to side with Mr. Trump over the democratic process, by backing a lawsuit that asked the Supreme Court to throw out some 20 million votes in four key states that cemented the president’s loss.

 

“The act itself by the 126 members of the United States House of Representatives, is an affront to the country,” said Michael Steele, the former chairman of the Republican National Committee. “It’s an offense to the Constitution and it leaves an indelible stain that will be hard for these 126 members to wipe off their political skin for a long time to come.”

 

Speaking on CNN on Friday, Gov. Chris Sununu of New Hampshire, a Republican, said, “What happened with the Supreme Court, that’s kind of it, where they’ve kind of exhausted all the legal challenges; we’ve got to move on.” It was time, he said, for Congress to “actually do something for the American people, surrounding the vaccines, surrounding Covid.”

 

With direct buy-in from senior officials like Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and the Republican leader in the House, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the president’s effort required the party to promote false theory upon unsubstantiated claim upon outright lie about unproved, widespread fraud — in an election that Republican and Democratic election officials agreed was notably smooth given the challenges of the pandemic.

 

And it meant that Republican leaders now stand for a new notion: that the final decisions of voters can be challenged without a basis in fact if the results are not to the liking of the losing side, running counter to decades of work by the United States to convince developing nations that peaceful transfers of power are key to any freely elected government’s credibility.

 

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CNN's Harwood: Republicans would 'go smack their moms in the face' if Trump ordered them to

 

CNN White House correspondent John Harwood on Friday attempted to describe GOP loyalty to President Trump, saying Republicans would “go smack their moms in the face” if Trump ordered them to.

 

Harwood and his network colleague Kate Bolduan were discussing a Texas lawsuit filed in the Supreme Court attempting block election results in four battleground states being finalized for Democratic President-elect Joe Biden.

 

On Thursday, 106 House Republicans signed on to an amicus brief in support of the suit, claiming “unconstitutional irregularities involved in the 2020 presidential election cast doubt upon its outcome and the integrity of the American system of elections.”

 

Bolduan noted that there are lawmakers supporting the lawsuit from Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin — the states baselessly accused of having widespread voter fraud.

“They’re not questioning their own election wins though,” she added.

 

“What we’re seeing Kate is a demonstration by House Republicans of the extent of the rot inside the Republican Party right now,” Harwood responded.

 

He noted that many of Trump’s most fervent supporters in 2020 have criticized him in the past.

 

“These people know what Donald Trump is, as [Sen.] Ted Cruz [R-Texas] said in 2016, he’s a pathological liar,” Harwood said, referring to Trump’s GOP presidential primary opponents four years ago. “[Sen.] Marco Rubio [R-Fla.] called him a con artist.”

 

Harwood suggested Republicans are scared of facing the president's wrath and only signed on to the “preposterous lawsuit” because they want their party to maintain power in the White House.

 

“These are people who if Donald Trump said, ‘I’m going to trash you on Twitter unless you go smack your mom in the face,’ they would go smack their moms in the face and try to explain it to them afterward,” Harwood added. “In reality, what they’re doing is smacking American democracy in the face.”

 

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Republicans want more than a coup: Trump's loyalty test exposes their hatred for democracy

 

When Texas attorney general Ken Paxton first filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court demanding that all the votes of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — 10.4 million votes in total — be thrown out completely, the general media response was to call it a stunt. Paxton is under investigation for an alleged bribery scheme, and observers speculated that, by filing this ridiculous lawsuit, he is trawling for a presidential pardon from Donald Trump, whose recent pardon of his crony Michael Flynn has instilled hope among other GOP lowlifes that they can bribe Trump to do the same for them. 

 

Yet even though this suit is widely dismissed as a joke, a slew of other elected Republicans joined the lawsuit on Thursday, lending support to Paxton's argument that red states should be able to overturn the results of an election that didn't end well for Republicans. So far, 17 Republican state attorneys general and 106 Republicans in the House of Representatives — more than half the GOP caucus — have signed onto amicus briefs supporting Paxton's absurd demands that all the votes of the residents of these four states be destroyed. Six states have asked to join Paxton's lawsuit directly. On Monday, only a couple of House Republicans — mainly Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama — were willing to openly support Trump's efforts to steal the election. Now it's the majority of the House GOP caucus.

 

In doing so, these Republicans have outed themselves as opponents of democracy. There is no other way to read this, and no wiggle room to pretend otherwise. This isn't about "voter fraud" or any of the other bad-faith gambits that Trump and his supporters are throwing out as distractions. It's about throwing out entire state elections because they favored a Democrat. 

 

And while Republicans in the Senate have not formally signed onto this assault on the concept of democracy, many have done so informally.

 

Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, Georgia's two Republican incumbents who are competing in runoff elections on Jan. 5, have also publicly sided with Paxton. In other words, these two senators are literally asking Georgians to vote for them, while simultaneously demanding that those same voters watch their most recently cast ballots get thrown in the trash. 

 

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