Darrell Green Fan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 17 hours ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: Dyslexic too? P-o-t-e-n-t-i-a-l = possible M-e-t-r-i-c-s = On Paper (ie) Not yet executed on the field Now you can re-read my comments and put them in context. I do not want this to continue this nasty tone, really I don't. And I totally understand that I started it with my "embarrassing" comment and I apologize for that. However I need to point out that if metrics determined performance Keith Marshall would have been our starting running back seeing as he is big and really fast. Football is more than just size and speed. In your initial post you claimed this group could be on par with the Rams and Monk, Clark and Sanders. You also said Kirk could potentially be better than Kurt Warner, then followed these claims with "I don't think that's too far a stretch". Sorry Hangman but that is a stretch. As I said I like Pryor a lot but he is far from Art Monk or Issac Bruce. I loved the Doctson pick and still love his potential but as of today he has proven nothing. I also need to point out that during that short window of time nobody in the history of the game threw the ball better than Kurt Warner. He is a borderline Hall of Famer based almost entirely on those 3 amazing seasons alone. To claim that it's not a stretch to predict that Kirk will exceed that level is beyond a stretch and entering pipe dream territory. And I'm a Kirk guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Comparing this group that has done absolutely nothing to the GSOT and the best group we've ever had, is absolutely an embarrassing stretch. Its completely absurd. Sure, optimism is great and yes, potentially anything is possible, but its still ridiculous and deserving of ridicule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: Comparing this group that has done absolutely nothing to the GSOT and the best group we've ever had, is absolutely an embarrassing stretch. Its completely absurd. Sure, optimism is great and yes, potentially anything is possible, but its still ridiculous and deserving of ridicule. Yeah that was kind of my take. I'm all for optimism but when fans post outrageous claims and then get upset when called on it, well it's the main reason I don't post here often. Too many homers with unrealistic takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said: However I need to point out that if metrics determined performance Keith Marshall would have been our starting running back seeing as he is big and really fast. Football is more than just size and speed. That is WHY *I* said POTENTIAL.... 1 hour ago, Darrell Green Fan said: In your initial post you claimed this group could be on par with the Rams and Monk, Clark and Sanders. You also said Kirk could potentially be better than Kurt Warner, then followed these claims with "I don't think that's too far a stretch". Sorry Hangman but that is a stretch (In YOUR OPINION-What makes yours right and mine wrong? You already admitted you were ignorant of Pryer's speed relative to Jackson so- SO FAR your track record is spotty). As I said I like Pryor a lot but he is far from Art Monk or Issac Bruce (Right--he's FASTER, BIGGER and a Former QB who understands more of the route concepts). I loved the Doctson pick and still love his potential but as of today he has proven nothing. I also need to point out that during that short window of time nobody in the history of the game threw the ball better than Kurt Warner (SAY WHAT??? THAT was Martz confusing the D with something NEW....Like RGIII and READ OPTION MATBE???). He is a borderline Hall of Famer based almost entirely on those 3 amazing seasons alone (HE IS A HOF in 2017, ANOTHER ERROR). To claim that it's not a stretch to predict that Kirk will exceed that level is beyond a stretch and entering pipe dream territory. And I'm a Kirk guy. OK..TWO errors on record. You Quoted me correctly! I too don't want to get into a pissin match. What we have hear is a failure to communicate. But *I* would appreciate you understanding POTENTIAL to Reality and Potential is not realized without performance on the field and again ..I said Potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, Darrell Green Fan said: Yeah that was kind of my take. I'm all for optimism but when fans post outrageous claims and then get upset when called on it, well it's the main reason I don't post here often. Too many homers with unrealistic takes. I do it myself. Last season I was comparing us to the GSOT also. I even said Matt Jones was going to be a bigger, more physical Faulk. Ive said Pryor will be top 3 and R Moss 2.0. However, I was really wrong last year and deserved more ridicule than I got and my comment about Pryor has more to do with my lack of faith in Reed staying healthy, having no WR2 and Kirk having a habit of locking on to receivers for games at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said: Comparing this group that has done absolutely nothing to the GSOT and the best group we've ever had, is absolutely an embarrassing stretch. Its completely absurd. Sure, optimism is great and yes, potentially anything is possible, but its still ridiculous and deserving of ridicule. In your opinion. The Smurfs were partly a function of Gibb's NEW H-Back scheme and HUGE OL again a NEW paradigm. Martz WAS the GSOT in *my* opinion. All you keyboard geniuses are embarrassing, ridiculous and deserving of ridicule IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: That is WHY *I* said POTENTIAL.... OK..TWO errors on record. You Quoted me correctly! I too don't want to get into a pissin match. What we have hear is a failure to communicate. But *I* would appreciate you understanding POTENTIAL to Reality and Potential is not realized without performance on the field and again ..I said Potential. I understand you used the word potential. I just think that it is unrealistic to say they have this sort of potential for the reasons I and others have already posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Darrell Green Fan said: I understand you used the word potential. I just think that it is unrealistic to say they have this sort of potential for the reasons I and others have already posted. That is a fair retort. You have a different assessment. *I* hope I am right because it will be fun to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: In your opinion. The Smurfs were partly a function of Gibb's NEW H-Back scheme and HUGE OL again a NEW paradigm. Martz WAS the GSOT in *my* opinion. All you keyboard geniuses are embarrassing, ridiculous and deserving of ridicule IMHO You're not using a keyboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area51 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Cautiously optimistic about our receiving corps. Pryor, in one season, had already proven himself as a very capable #1WR. Doctson has been getting great(albeit very early) reviews, and oh yeah, we also have some dude named Jamison Crowder, who might end up being the best of the bunch. Add Reed and Davis at TE, and our offense(passing offense, at least) can be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Too many folks...... Let's see how the season goes, Doc or Harris IMO have the chance to be a solid set of starters but either could fall flat. Crowder is already good. How Pryor fits in or gets used is still up to Jay. Potential, I've seen it before, sometimes it just never materialized. Certainly can't lump this group in with what is an accomplished, bejeweled group of Monk, Clark and Sanders. Breaking Burgundy @breakburgundy Only OTAs but @TerrellePryor has been impressive and @JDoc_son looks healthy. Very healthy. Instant analysis: #Redskins WR unit is BIG. 9:54 PM - 31 May 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 4 hours ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: In your opinion. The Smurfs were partly a function of Gibb's NEW H-Back scheme and HUGE OL again a NEW paradigm. Martz WAS the GSOT in *my* opinion. All you keyboard geniuses are embarrassing, ridiculous and deserving of ridicule IMHO Door's unlocked. If you want to mock everyone on the board, then why are you here? And I agree with all your points. Just don't be a dick about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: Comparing this group that has done absolutely nothing to the GSOT and the best group we've ever had, is absolutely an embarrassing stretch. Its completely absurd. Sure, optimism is great and yes, potentially anything is possible, but its still ridiculous and deserving of ridicule. It has nothing to do with optimism but reality. The reality is both Garcon and DJax will be over 30, that is not necessarily a bad thing. What is and where some of us have much more confident in this year's group is that between them they caught just 7 TD passes. Seriously think about that. In fact I heard we had 190 less yards as a total offense than the Falcons and yet they scored 22 more TDs. I see Pryor and Doctson getting at least twice as many TDs which will make our offense much better even if they don't catch over 2000 yards like Djax and Garcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 On 2017-5-31 at 10:42 AM, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: Don't bother, I didn't recognize the cognitive impairment until now. I'll be more understanding from now on. Last season, Cousins was throwing downfield to 5-foot-10 DeSean Jackson. Now it’s the 6-foot-4 Pryor. Jackson once ran the 40-yard dash in 4.35 seconds; Pryor once ran it in 4.38 seconds. http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/31452/terrelle-pryor-kirk-cousins-still-adapting-to-his-size-and-speed Worth saying that when Pryor ran that 4.38 40 he did at 232lbs. He's listed at 223lb now. 6 hours ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: All you keyboard geniuses are embarrassing, ridiculous and deserving of ridicule IMHO Please feel free to attack their ideas and logic. But if anyone starts ridiculing anyone personally that will lead to time off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 2 hours ago, TheGreek1973 said: It has nothing to do with optimism but reality. The reality is both Garcon and DJax will be over 30, that is not necessarily a bad thing. What is and where some of us have much more confident in this year's group is that between them they caught just 7 TD passes. Seriously think about that. In fact I heard we had 190 less yards as a total offense than the Falcons and yet they scored 22 more TDs. I see Pryor and Doctson getting at least twice as many TDs which will make our offense much better even if they don't catch over 2000 yards like Djax and Garcon. I get all that and wanted our WRs gone too. Im possibly the most optimistic here about Pryor as well. However, if you want to talk reality, we've got little to nothing as far as healthy proven pass catchers out side of Jamo and that includes Reed. Do I think we'll be better? Yes. Do I think putting them in our HoF before minicamp is ridiculous? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 8 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: I do it myself. However, I deserved more ridicule than I got Oooh oooh let me!!! I want to ridicule KB or anyone!!! Makes me feel superior : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Burgundy BlogVerified account @BurgundyBlog 20h20 hours ago More Mo money. [@JPFinlayCSN] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hammer Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Warhead36 said: I'm very optimistic about our WR corps. I think Doctson will be a star and Pryor will be damn good. But the guy I'm really high on is Crowder. I see glimpses of Antonio Brown in his game and the 3rd year is when guys typically take that next step into stardom, like Reed in 2015. Speaking of which, yeah of course we still have Reed who is basically a WR in a TE's body. I think our red zone efficiency will be much better this year and we won't lose much in terms of YAC or moving the chains. The one thing we will probably lose out on is that quick strike score capability without Jackson but Pryor and Doctson are both explosive in their own right. I like Crowder but he is great as the third receiving option. He is superb against a defenses third best corner but against its first or even second? He wouldn't look as stellar. If Doctson stays healthy he will help tremendously with red zone scoring, a problem The Skins suffered from all of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Bishop Hammer said: I like Crowder but he is great as the third receiving option. He is superb against a defenses third best corner but against its first or even second? He wouldn't look as stellar. If Doctson stays healthy he will help tremendously with red zone scoring, a problem The Skins suffered from all of last season. What is this based on? Crowder looked pretty damn good against a top 15 #1 CB in Darius Slay last year in one of the only plays Slay was defending him (first play in the video below). Crowder had a ridiculous 3.88 yards of separation at target when he was lined up out wide, which was on 23.2% of his targets. That separation was better than every other WR in the league, including fellow slot WRs, who also saw fewer targets out wide, so it's not all due to the low sample size. I think he'd surprise a lot of people as a #2 WR if given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hangman- C_Hanburger Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 6 hours ago, MartinC said: Worth saying that when Pryor ran that 4.38 40 he did at 232lbs. He's listed at 223lb now. Please feel free to attack their ideas and logic. But if anyone starts ridiculing anyone personally that will lead to time off. FYI, I just cut and pasted his line to me, but I get the hint. Again, I have no interest in participating in ANYTHING other than the enthusiasm I feel for this unit. Others are free to respectfully disagree and *hopefully* provide some FACTS to support "their" opinion. None..were provided in the retorts...just aspersions. HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: FYI, I just cut and pasted his line to me, but I get the hint. Again, I have no interest in participating in ANYTHING other than the enthusiasm I feel for this unit. Others are free to respectfully disagree and *hopefully* provide some FACTS to support "their" opinion. None..were provided in the retorts...just aspersions. HTTR I was giving a general warning - if anyone ridicules anyone. It was not a hint and it applies generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, The Hangman- C_Hanburger said: FYI, I just cut and pasted his line to me, but I get the hint. Again, I have no interest in participating in ANYTHING other than the enthusiasm I feel for this unit. Others are free to respectfully disagree and *hopefully* provide some FACTS to support "their" opinion. None..were provided in the retorts...just aspersions. HTTR This is a little too heated right now, especially arguing over potential, hopes and guesses. Im glad you're enthused. I use to be. Free advice, Martin wasn't asking you a question or making a suggestion. The board rules are clear and easy to read. Don't insult people, discuss their posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefanskins Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Koolblue13 said: The board rules are clear and easy to read. Don't insult people, discuss their posts. touche' KB..touche'...you're right...I looked it up...who'da thunk it????...so, you win this round...but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxSpearheadxX Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Man jamison crowder just breaks him off on those routes, his change of direction ability is as elite as I've seen, like an Allen Iverson crossover dribble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 It really comes down to what they get at the #2 spot. As I said I love Doctson but how many rookies not named Randy Moss come in and have big years? And as discussed Doc is essentially a rookie and a total wild card, we have no idea if he can beat press coverage right now.. Until that happens I see a slight dropoff from last year's group as both Jackson and Garcon were proven and productive. Speaking of rookie WRs did anyone catch a report on how Robert Davis looked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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