AsburySkinsFan Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just stop @twa no one believes it, not even you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Just now, AsburySkinsFan said: Just stop @twa no one believes it, not even you. Does belief change reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 18 minutes ago, twa said: Stealing is it? Using an alternative constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Hersh said: LOL, did you read the entire article??? The guy admits in the last couple of sentences that the individual mandate came from the Heritage foundation. Of course he intentionally fails to expand on the fact that this was talked about by the GOP in 1993. Good try though. Why did the Dems go nuclear? Please explain why you think they did and what caused them to do so. Yes I read the entire article sounds like you may have a reading comprehension problem recommend you reread it. Why do I and just about everyone else (left, right and center) know the Democrats went nuclear? It is because it was widely reported as such when they eliminated the filibuster for presidential appointments and non supreme court nominees (How did you miss that)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 19 minutes ago, Larry said: Using an alternative constitution? has not filling a spot been ruled unconstitutional? I'm assuming you are not talking about voter preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, twa said: has not filling a spot been ruled unconstitutional? I'm assuming you are talking about voter preference. Nope. In fact, the constitution specifically grants Congress the power to decide that lame duck Presidents cannot appoint Supreme Court justices. In Article V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 55 minutes ago, twa said: Does belief change reality? Once again just games from you. You pretend to be objective and against Trump...yet never a legitimate criticism from you about the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 hour ago, nonniey said: Yes I read the entire article sounds like you may have a reading comprehension problem recommend you reread it. Why do I and just about everyone else (left, right and center) know the Democrats went nuclear? It is because it was widely reported as such when they eliminated the filibuster for presidential appointments and non supreme court nominees (How did you miss that)? LOL Why in the case of the Dems did they feel the need to go nuclear to fill those seats? Was the GOP doing anything wrong? 1 hour ago, twa said: Stealing is it? Taking a position Dem leaders endorsed before and the electorate preferring another party in power is stealing? You could say the voters stole it when the GOP offered them the option. ....but is is not stealing to take what is yours by right, I understand losing sucks. You are so completely full of it to defend your side. Sad. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 hour ago, AsburySkinsFan said: Once again just games from you. You pretend to be objective and against Trump...yet never a legitimate criticism from you about the GOP. I like games, they enable discourse and interaction. I am fairly objective about most everything, and while Trump was not who I prefer ,objectively he was and is so far preferable to the options. I criticize the GOP and work to change it...just not much here since it is pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 3 hours ago, twa said: I understand losing sucks. Scoreboard doesn't look very good for either of us right now. 1 hour ago, twa said: I am fairly objective about most everything, and while Trump was not who I prefer ,objectively he was and is so far preferable to the options. :-) Oh man!! You made a slight concession sandwhich in between in two slices of bull**** bread right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Hersh said: LOL Why in the case of the Dems did they feel the need to go nuclear to fill those seats? Was the GOP doing anything wrong? Because the GOP was actively working to prohibit as much from happening during the Obama administration (didn't seem to matter what it was.) Yes, if you think their job is to improve the government even when they're the minority party, not grid lock it. I find the Democrats motive of revenge not to be any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Scoreboard doesn't look very good for either of us right now. I'm kinda happy, though worried as usual. Scoring personally is preferable....but at least my conference won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 hour ago, twa said: and while Trump was not who I prefer ,objectively he was and is so far preferable to the options. Then you're insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Just now, AsburySkinsFan said: Then you're insane Always a possibility . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, tshile said: Because the GOP was actively working to prohibit as much from happening during the Obama administration (didn't seem to matter what it was.) Yes, if you think their job is to improve the government even when they're the minority party, not grid lock it. I find the Democrats motive of revenge not to be any better. I know why they did it. I laugh at people pretending the Dems did it just for fun or as if it wasn't in response to excessive abuse in blocking judicial nominations. As if the GOP have cleans hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Hersh said: I know why they did it. I laugh at people pretending the Dems did it just for fun or as if it wasn't in response to excessive abuse in blocking judicial nominations. As if the GOP have cleans hands I laugh at the notion that anyone in DC has clean hands. Not enough soap in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Hersh said: I know why they did it. I laugh at people pretending the Dems did it just for fun or as if it wasn't in response to excessive abuse in blocking judicial nominations. As if the GOP have cleans hands Right, I was just pointing out that the argument here is rather simple. I don't think you have to believe the gop has clean hands to criticize the democrats. Or to understand that they opened up the procedure for doing this. I'm not going to say the 'why' doesn't matter, just that it's irrelevant to the point that they opened it up and expanding it to scotus is a formality at this point. Edit: sorry got posters mixed up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: I laugh at the notion that anyone in DC has clean hands. Not enough soap in the world. Who has suggested that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 2 hours ago, twa said: Scoring personally is preferable....but at least my conference won. You think Republicanism won in this election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 46 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: You think Republicanism won in this election? I see states rights and local control becoming fashionable....and a fear of federal govt excess. If fiscal conservatism comes next I might get wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 Yes or no. Has the nuclear option ever been used to fill a SCOTUS seat? Will the GOP think long and hard about the ramifications of using that option, should the Dems filibuster? That was my argument. Not lower court nominations. Not SCOTUS noms that were actually voted on and voted down 42-58 like Bork was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, twa said: I see states rights and local control becoming fashionable....and a fear of federal govt excess. I guess if that's what you want to see, you can only look at the issues that fit into that box. Neither side really cares about either of those things. It's all bull****. Conservatives will trounce all over states rights and dems will whip out that card just as quick if it fits in with their policy agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I notice you didn't mention Estrada No the nuclear option hasn't been used on SCOTUS nominations ...........yet. I'm sure they will weigh the ramifications before using it far more than the Dems did. 4 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: It's all bull****. I disagree, but I like things shaken rather than stirred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 6 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: Yes or no. Has the nuclear option ever been used to fill a SCOTUS seat? Will the GOP think long and hard about the ramifications of using that option, should the Dems filibuster? No and no. They think they've got some spin where, if they yell "The Democrats did this", people will choose not to blame the Party which actually, unanimously, voted to do it. Several posters are actively trying to sell it, in this very thread. And I have to admit, based on the phrase "President Trump", they might be right. That they can successfully convince a slim majority of the country to swallow that load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 9 hours ago, Hersh said: Who has suggested that? I was more just sharing my opinion of politicians in general. And though no one has said the Lefts hands are clean, it seems the standard practice on this forum is anytime the Left is called out for something to make sure it's pointed out the Right did something worse. It's cute how some people seem to think either side actually give a crap about the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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