Burgold Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) As I said, the arming teachers idea is just a profit making scheme for the gun industry. This is just one state. Multiply it by fifty and you get pretty damn close to the estimates that I projected a dozen pages back... the number that people laughed at me for when I put it out there. Edited March 3, 2018 by Burgold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Burgold said: As I said, the arming teachers idea is just a profit making scheme for the gun industry. This is just one state. Multiply it by fifty and you get pretty damn close to the estimates that I projected a dozen pages back... that people laughed at me when I put it out there. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 They could arm them a lot cheaper, going the accredited school marshal level is still cheaper than SRO's or police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Wonder how many teachers they’ll lose over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Wonder how many teachers they’ll lose over this. Quit? Or shot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 If Im the Delta CEO, I am moving my company to another state. There HAS to be repercussions from such a blatant partisan political punishment of a corporation. I do not like this trend whatsoever. Georgia legislature needs to be punished, QUICKLY 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Just now, zoony said: If Im the Delta CEO, I am moving my company to another state. There HAS to be repercussions from such a blatant partisan political punishment of a corporation. I do not like this trend whatsoever. Georgia legislature needs to be punished, QUICKLY I'd suggest Cali or NY, they love giving fossil fuel subsidies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, twa said: I'd suggest Cali or NY, they love giving fossil fuel subsidies. Speaking of which, this kind of thing gone unanswered by corporations will lead to states such as those raising taxes on companies that dont support liberal pet causes This is outrageous stuff. If delta doesnt relocate they are not only *******, theyre assholes too. They owe it to all of corporate america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 10 hours ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Wonder how many teachers they’ll lose over this. At least they'll leave before it becomes standard to hand in your school ID and gun before quitting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 <sigh> I really have tried not to get too involved in this conversation (no seriously, I have) because it is yet again one of those arguments where both sides/ all sides/ every side trumpets their position without a willingness at even the most basic effort to genuinely understand exactly what is going on and why. We literally have no current objective data to work with, none. Whoever you care to blame, the stark reality is that no one in the government is even allowed to try and gather data on this. Quote In United States politics, the Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."[1] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.[2] The amendment was lobbied for by the NRA. The amendment is named after its author Jay Dickey, a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas.[2] Many commentators have described this amendment as a "ban" on gun violence research by the CDC.[3] Jay Dickey himself has subsequently regretted introducing the amendment, and there have been unsuccessful attempts to repeal it. Now of course this doesn't prevent any private efforts to try and gather data, here from the Rand Corp.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/03/02/this-major-new-report-on-gun-deaths-should-shock-and-anger-us-all/?utm_term=.ade7b1eb0620 The indications are clear, there is a problem and we are obliged to address it, but the rightwing/NRA/Republican/gun nutty demographic not only has fingers shoved in their ears la-la-laing the livelong day, they are intent on jamming fingers in yours as well..... Quote The day after the mass shooting in Parkland, Fla., House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), a longtime opponent of new gun measures, said Congress needs to “take a breath and collect the facts.” The Republican leader added, “We don’t just knee-jerk before we even have all the facts and the data.” At face value, that seemed like an entirely sensible approach. After all, who could be against collecting facts and data before engaging in policymaking? The trouble, of course, is that there’s already a federal restriction in place to prevent officials from collecting facts and data – and Politico reports today that congressional Republicans intend to leave it in place, despite recent developments. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-plan-keep-restrictions-gun-research-place?cid=sm_fb_maddow Sniping back-n-forth about arming teachers and turning schools into fortresses and armed drones and standing troops is not only pointlessly useless, it is meant to be! The narrative has been overtly and intentionally warped into the broken bits of a conversation that some don't want to occur. Some don't know it, some don't want to know it, some would refuse to admit no matter what evidence their nose was rubbed in, but THE initial biggest problem in this is that everyone's debate and discussion and concern has been distorted and dictated by the gravitational pull of the all the politicians the NRA & Co. have bought for generations. Unless and until objective scientific rational observation is allowed, untainted by either side, absolutely nothing can or will happen, and we will be discussing more dead children soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tshile Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 8:35 AM, Burgold said: And as expected, when the dust clears and the blood dries... nothing much will get done. Mitch McConnell just canceled next week's debate on gun control. Trump has backed down after meeting with the NRA. Florida voted to not even allow debate on the subject. Oh you mean the movement has stalled? I'm shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, tshile said: Oh you mean the movement has stalled? I'm shocked. Yup, it's a never ending cycle. I think we're approaching this the wrong way. Most everyone here agrees that some common sense gun control legislation is needed. Everyone here, I hope, realizes that votes and money have more power over what actually happens than us ****ing at each other on an internet message board. So the first thought needs not to be, "how do we fix this problem?" but "how do we keep politics and lobbyists from getting in the way of us fixing the problem?" Edited March 3, 2018 by Sacks 'n' Stuff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DogofWar1 Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, visionary said: If you're hunting a deer with a semi-auto high powered high capacity modified AR-15 then you have respect for neither hunting nor guns, so that argument can **** right off. Edited March 3, 2018 by DogofWar1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 They (Wal-Mart, dicks, etc) are raising the limit for all rifles. That would include hunting. I also believe the limit applies to shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, tshile said: They (Wal-Mart, dicks, etc) are raising the limit for all rifles. That would include hunting. I also believe the limit applies to shotguns. I'm sure the younguns won't mind them not selling them ammo or guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Tyler Zed @TyEducatingLibs Mar 2 More Want a lesson on publicity stunts gone horribly wrong? From USA Today, “Only 13 Delta passengers have ever bought tickets with an NRA discount.” Have fun losing hundreds of thousands of customers, @Delta, over nothing! Stay out of politics you fools, that’s business 101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, twa said: Tyler Zed @TyEducatingLibs Mar 2 More Want a lesson on publicity stunts gone horribly wrong? From USA Today, “Only 13 Delta passengers have ever bought tickets with an NRA discount.” Have fun losing hundreds of thousands of customers, @Delta, over nothing! Stay out of politics you fools, that’s business 101 I'm guessing Delta cut ties with the NRA for the same reasons other companies did. They probably felt that fallout from the anti-nra crowd was starting to outweigh the foreseeable fallout from the pro-nra crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, twa said: Tyler Zed @TyEducatingLibs Mar 2 More Want a lesson on publicity stunts gone horribly wrong? From USA Today, “Only 13 Delta passengers have ever bought tickets with an NRA discount.” Have fun losing hundreds of thousands of customers, @Delta, over nothing! Stay out of politics you fools, that’s business 101 Good on them. Money is an excellent servant but a very cruel master. "Haha Delta. You lose millions for not associating with evil. That'll teach you." I have a question though, twa. How did you find this tweet? Is @TyEducatingLibs someone that you follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twa Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Good on them. Money is an excellent servant but a very cruel master. "Haha Delta. You lose millions for not associating with evil. That'll teach you." I have a question though, twa. How did you find this tweet? Is @TyEducatingLibs someone that you follow? Funny they had no problem associating before. Retweeted by someone I follow I suppose, I can look up who if ya wish....or link ya to mine(don't mind the burgold ones though,he is in recovery) I did visit his feed, not impressed enough to follow(though he is funny at times) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, twa said: Funny they had no problem associating before. Big tobacco used to be a lobbying powerhouse as well once upon a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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