The Conspiracy Thread

[tomwvr]

7 penalties on us, only 3 on GB.

 

The third was late in the 4th on a late hit on Kirk, It was only two the whole game - and both were on the first offensive drive for the packers - one of them negated the FIRST safety.

[BurgGold75]

I'm convinced there are certain refs that give the opposing teams biased calls.  And I think it has a lot to do with the name.  I feel stupid for saying this and sound like a Seahawks fan.  I just don't think it is as far fetched as it sounds.  

 

I don't think the League wants a rematch of SB50 more than they don't want the Redskins name in the Super Bowl!

[Reaper Skins]

One final link from the Green Bay game.  The refs admit error and say that the 12 men on the field call should not have been enforced against the Redskins.  Definite shift in momentum early on in the game.

 

"While the Packers won, 35-18, it was a critical call that got the ball rolling for the Green Bay offense, which, starting with that drive, reeled off 17-straight points to take a 17-11 lead to the half."

 

https://t.co/gV3Rza530g

Edited January 18, 2016 by Reaper Skins

[Zazzaro703]

Having lived in Tahoe for 7 years and been heavily involved in betting on sports, mainly the NFL.... It's kind of insane to think the game is 100% clean with no outside influences at all trying to effect the outcomes of games. There are millions upon millions of dollars being bet on football through Nevada, fantasy football etc every week, there is no way it's not happening in some form or another.

[Reaper Skins]

Tablets not Working for Dallas, forces Washington to not use technology either.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/12/7/9869478/dallas-cowboys-washington-tablets-printers-technology-is-bad

So when the Dallas Cowboys can't use their tablets, we're not allowed to either.

But somehow when New England's tablets go out, Peyton Manning and Denver are still allowed to use theirs.

Completely even enforcement of the rules. Definitley not biased at all towards big market teams like Dallas or story lines like Peyton winning a Super Bowl. NFL is reeeeaaaalllyy trying to give Peyton a send off into the sunset aren't they. Ridiculous.

Dallas d known for not blitzing, instead they spend all game blitzing us and no tablets means we can't adjust.

Denver offense expected to run and not rely on Peyton's arm. Instead they throw downfield all game and New England can't adjust because they don't have access to tablets.

Shad, shady, shady NFL.

Tablets have only been in use for less than 2 years and they've already directly influenced 2 games.

http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/technology/sideline-of-the-future/

Edited January 24, 2016 by Reaper Skins

[LD0506]

Reaper, the way you work this thread you oughta get at least a cameo on the "X Files"

[Gibbit]

So when the Dallas Cowboys can't use their tablets, we're not allowed to either.

But somehow when New England's tablets go out, Peyton Manning and Denver are still allowed to use theirs.

Completely even enforcement of the rules. Definitley not biased at all towards big market teams like Dallas or story lines like Peyton winning a Super Bowl. NFL is reeeeaaaalllyy trying to give Peyton a send off into the sunset aren't they. Ridiculous.

Dallas d known for not blitzing, instead they spend all game blitzing us and no tablets means we can't adjust.

Denver offense expected to run and not rely on Peyton's arm. Instead they throw downfield all game and New England can't adjust because they don't have access to tablets.

Shad, shady, shady NFL.

Tablets have only been in use for less than 2 years and they've already directly influenced 2 games.

http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/technology/sideline-of-the-future/

 

http://www.wikihow.com/Build-an-EMP-Generator

 

Just a matter of time before its terminator vs outdated terminator

Edited January 24, 2016 by Gibbit

[Reaper Skins]

Reaper, the way you work this thread you oughta get at least a cameo on the "X Files"

I'd settle for "Supernatural" and a beer with John Riggins.

Scratch that. Better make it a 12 pack and a bottle of Jameson.

Edited January 24, 2016 by Reaper Skins

[Reaper Skins]

Exclusive: Sports gambling contributed to ex-Cowboys RB Joseph Randle's release

 

Interesting.  

 

Going into this season Randle was one of the trendy fantasy picks at RB who was expected to come in and have a dominant season filling in Demarco Murray's role behind the best o-line in the NFL.

 

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/story/0ap3000000499823/article/who-to-draft-darren-mcfadden-or-joseph-randle

 

 He himself said that Murray "left alot of yards on the table" and was expected to be the heir apparent going into this season.

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4645536-joseph-randle-cowboys-running-backs-demarco-murray-eagle

 

All the sports analysts had Randle pegged as a player to have a break out year

 

http://www.fftoday.com/stats/players/13323/Joseph_Randle

 

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/11/joseph-randle-dallas-cowboys-offensive-line-rushing-nfl

 

Instead he was a massive no show for pretty much the entire season.  Suspended for conduct detrimental to the team early on and involved in several altercations at casinos.  A massive bust for anyone who drafted him or bet on him for this season.

 

 And now he is linked to sports gambling.  Any chance his lack of production on the field was linked to betting on NFL games or fantasy contests like DraftKIngs or FanDuel?

 

From the article:

Early Monday morning, Randle was arrested for the fourth time over the last 17 months in Irving on an outstanding speeding warrant out of Coppell. Randle's continued run-ins with the law and his involvement in sports gambling appear to have put his career in jeopardy.

On Nov. 3, a combination of issues led the Cowboys to release Randle. In addition to showing signs of mental instability, he had been involved in placing wagers on sporting events during the 2015 season, sources said... 

"Randle's last game with the Cowboys was on Oct. 25, a 27-20 loss to the Giants in New York. Randle started the game but pulled himself out in the first series after two carries for 24 yards. Randle, who had been bothered at times in training camp with a strained oblique, came to the sideline and used a stationary bike before having a brief conversation with coach Jason Garrett. Randle then used the stationary bike some more but never went back into the game.

 

 

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2016/02/01/exclusive-sports-gambling-contributed-ex-cowboys-rb-joseph-randles-release

Edited February 2, 2016 by Reaper Skins

[Cooleyfan1993]

Here's a conspiracy: at the 49ers stadium last week, the Broncos logo was painted in BOTH endzones last week. The NFL obviously wants the Broncos to win

Mostly sarcasm there...although it would be funny.

[Reaper Skins]

Here's a conspiracy: at the 49ers stadium last week, the Broncos logo was painted in BOTH endzones last week. The NFL obviously wants the Broncos to win

Mostly sarcasm there...although it would be funny.

I think Manning winning the Super Bowl and then riding off into the sunset is exactly the kind of storyline the NFL would love.  One of the things I'm most interested to watch during the game is how the two different quarterbacks get calls from the refs.  

 

Cam's whole statement from earlier this year where he said the refs told him "your not old enough to get those kind of calls" is intriguing when you consider the type of QB he's going up against for the Super Bowl.  Manning is basically immobile, and if he does try to scramble I'd assume the "unnecessary roughness" flags will be thrown pretty fast.  It will be interesting to see how the refs handle Cam's scrambling against Denver's defensive backs and whether they give him the same calls.

 

I think the whole "old, traditional" style of QB vs. the new "athletic, running" QB will  be the biggest storyline of the game.  Superbowl 50.  Honoring the old and bringing in the new.  Practically writes itself.  I expect at least one controversial call that centers around the QB getting hit late or a flag not getting thrown.

Edited February 3, 2016 by Reaper Skins

[Wildbunny]

Yeah I forgot Cam complaining about refs this year. Except when they play the Redskins.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I think Manning winning the Super Bowl and then riding off into the sunset is exactly the kind of storyline the NFL would love. 

 

The NFL can't really lose storyline-wise. If Manning wins, he gets the sunset scenario you mentioned. If Cam wins, we essentially crown the next star QB and potential dynastic team (15-1 and winning 21/22 since last season). Also, with that storyline Manning kind of cements his status as a great player who couldn't win the big game. 

[Xameil]

Also, with that storyline Manning kind of cements his status as a great player who couldn't win the big game.

Except he has won the big game...

[pjfootballer]

I live right outside of Charlotte. I'm already annoyed with all the hype and bandwaggoners the last 6 weeks.

Please, for the love of God, no dynasty. I need to live here for 15 more years, then I can retire and move.

Edited February 3, 2016 by pjfootballer

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Except he has won the big game...

 

Yes, but he's lost plenty more than he's won over his career. Ending this type of career with just one Super Bowl win would be somewhat of a stain don't you think?

[Tsailand]

Having lived in Tahoe for 7 years and been heavily involved in betting on sports, mainly the NFL.... It's kind of insane to think the game is 100% clean with no outside influences at all trying to effect the outcomes of games. There are millions upon millions of dollars being bet on football through Nevada, fantasy football etc every week, there is no way it's not happening in some form or another.

 

Never mind betting  -- the NFL is an entertainment business.  Some possible game outcomes are more entertaining than others and will produce more fan interest and advertising dollars than other possible game outcomes. 

 

The sport isn't flat-out fixed like wrestling or boxing or the NBA.  The are just some nudges here and there in the direction of the favored outcomes.  Sometimes it's enough to change the outcome, and sometimes it's not.  It's definitely possible to play well enough to overcome the refs; teams do it all the time

[Xameil]

Yes, but he's lost plenty more than he's won over his career. Ending this type of career with just one Super Bowl win would be somewhat of a stain don't you think?

Not really, since he at least won it. That's more then Marino can say

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Not really, since he at least won it. That's more then Marino can say

 

Others are worse off sure, but he would have a pretty crappy post-season reputation with another Super Bowl loss. 

 

He's made the playoffs 15 times and was one-and-done 9 times. 9 TIMES. A loss this Sunday would also put him at 1-3 in the Super Bowl and under .500 as a post-season QB. Fairly or unfairly that is how the greats are measured. I think there's a huge difference between 2-2 and 1-3 as far as Manning's legacy. 

[Xameil]

Others are worse off sure, but he would have a pretty crappy post-season reputation with another Super Bowl loss.

He's made the playoffs 15 times and was one-and-done 9 times. 9 TIMES. A loss this Sunday would also put him at 1-3 in the Super Bowl and under .500 as a post-season QB. Fairly or unfairly that is how the greats are measured. I think there's a huge difference between 2-2 and 1-3 as far as Manning's legacy.

I don't think Kurt Warners legacy is all that bad. Elway is 2 for 5...that's not much better than 1 for 3 (if manning loses)

I think Manning's legacy win or lose is quite safe and will still be considered better then his brother

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I don't think Kurt Warners legacy is all that bad. Elway is 2 for 5...that's not much better than 1 for 3 (if manning loses)

I think Manning's legacy win or lose is quite safe and will still be considered better then his brother

 

Small quibble but Manning would be 1-and-3, not 1-for-3. Granted, it's still not much worse than Elway's. The difference to me is the overall post-season success. Elway went 14-8 and actually won his last 7 playoff games (and last 2 Super Bowls). Manning took forever to win a playoff game, then forever to win a Super Bowl, and would then end his career losing his last 2 shots at a second title. To me, that's a different legacy than Elway going out on top. 

 

Warner is an interesting comp, but still had a very nice post-season winning percentage. He lost 2 Super Bowls to the 1 he won (losing his final 2), so that would be similar. But the other difference is pedigree and what we're talking about. Warner, despite that nice run, is never going to be considered a top-5 QB of all time. Manning is likely going to be in that discussion for a very long time and his post-season numbers will pale in comparison to Montana, Brady, and even Elway. 

[Xameil]

Manning is likely going to be in that discussion for a very long time and his post-season numbers will pale in comparison to Montana, Brady, and even Elway.

I still don't think his post season numbers matter. When most people talk about a players legacy, it goes well beyond playoffs and super bowl. I go back to Marino. I don't think he's ever been labeled as not being able to win the big game. If you count post season and super bowls in the discussion, then you think Eli should have better status then Peyton, but we all know it's not even close

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I still don't think his post season numbers matter. When most people talk about a players legacy, it goes well beyond playoffs and super bowl. I go back to Marino. I don't think he's ever been labeled as not being able to win the big game. If you count post season and super bowls in the discussion, then you think Eli should have better status then Peyton, but we all know it's not even close

 

I think we need to agree to disagree here. You make very good points, I just consider the post-season as a pretty critical factor that sticks with QBs and impacts their legacy. You mention Marino and I think his below-average results in the post-season IS mentioned a lot. He's a guy who put up big numbers in the regular season but could only get to 1 Super Bowl (his rookie year) and didn't win it.

 

http://1045theteam.com/dan-marinos-shrinking-legacy/

 

 

The above article articulates my point better than I can. As the numbers these guys put up continue to be eclipsed, they will be remembered less and less for statistical accomplishments that were great in a bygone era. The only things that echo through the years are championships (be it conference titles or league titles). That's why even Jim Kelly might be better remembered in 20 years than Dan Marino. He played in 4 consecutive Super Bowls. I haven't bothered to look up the numbers, but I can't imagine he has nearly as impressive statistics as Marino. 

 

Not unfairly, back in the mid-2000s, everyone compared Brady/Manning to Montana/Marino from the early-1980s. One guy won titles while the other guy racked up regular season numbers. Again, I'm not saying it's the end-all-be-all, but a crappy post-season portfolio will be held against QBs and their legacies. 

[Wildbunny]

First, I think, it's not really clever to compare Marino's numbers to Manning. During Marino's career, every team was running first and passing second. Game have evolved into a new thinking where passing is more important than running. So, that's not really alike. Even if that's still the same sport, it evolved way too much.

 

Now, I think you're right TD, post season numbers do matters in a career. Especially QB. Still, I think it's quite unfair for many of those great QB to hold those numbers against them. My point, here, is that those same guys are carrying their team whole season long, but when post season comes, it's not only about the QB, it's about the line, defense, special team, RB, WR, coaching... Everything else. QB does matter, but to a lesser extent.

If you remove Manning from that Colts team, I'm pretty sure they don't get half play-offs appearance during this span if he's not at the helm. Marino and the Dolphins? Heck, he was surrounded by a crappy supporting cast, especially on defense. On the other hand, check the team Montana had around him for years? That was indecent... Marino would have had many rings with that kind of team really.

 

To me, the fact that Marino has none, and Peyton have only one, are just shame. Those guys deserved better than what they got. I'll be rooting for Peyton on Sunday, because I just can't see him ending his career with less rings than his younger brother.

 

And since we're in the conspiracy theory thread, dealing with QB and postseason records. Besides their first SB win, I always thought that the Giants have robbed the opposing team of the title. Be it the Bills, or the Patriots, twice, they shouldn't have 4 trophies by now.

[Xameil]

First, I think, it's not really clever to compare Marino's numbers to Manning. During Marino's career, every team was running first and passing second. Game have evolved into a new thinking where passing is more important than running. So, that's not really alike. Even if that's still the same sport, it evolved way too much.

You do realize we're talking about super bowl wins and not stats right?

Because then it's very relavent especially when you consider that I was saying Marino was a Greta QB, and in no way should his legacy be tarnished by no super bowls