HAILSKINSNYC Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 When you keep the same failures like Haslett around, not much will change...... When you refuse to get a kicker who can kick deep, not much will change.... When you do the same things on defense, like Riley in coverage, not much will change.... When you have three stiffs on the o-line, not much will change..... When you have Tight End's who can't block, not much will change..... When you rely on Orakpo to be one of your best players, not much will change..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 We aren't, like, good. No one is healthy and the depth isn't talented enough to compete with the league's best. But I thought the game was pretty watchable, to be honest. It was less painful than I expected. They looked OK, just beat up and outmatched by Super Bowl champs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This 3-4 years talk is absolute insane. What NFL teams rebuild for 3-4 years? No one. Only ****ty teams claim to rebuild for 4 years. Many teams are able to rebuild in under 2 years. The key is that those teams have right management structure and talent evaluators. That is our issue. We lack real talent. Our GM . I agree for the most part. I do think better coaching can get better results with what we have though, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It doesn't take 5 years to rebuild a team these days. Teams turn it around pretty quickly in this era. We just have to quit doing stupid things like retaining horrible coaching, keeping weak players like Polumbus in starting roles, etc... We've known for the last few years Polumbus is weak, yet he still starts at RT for us. We've known that Haslett blows, yet somehow, he remains our DC. We've known for a while that our secondary has issues and looks lost, yet Raheem Morris remains our defensive back coach. It's a money saving move. If you fire Haslett you basically have to pay the salary for two DCs. Dan Snyder strikes again! SELL THE TEAM! SELL THE TEAM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuNiT21 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It's a money saving move. If you fire Haslett you basically have to pay the salary for two DCs. Dan Snyder strikes again! I highly doubt it.....when has Dan Snyder ever cared about money? I think we finally finished paying Haynesworth a few years ago. Mike is still getting a gamecheck as well I believe no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 When you keep the same failures like Haslett around, not much will change...... When you refuse to get a kicker who can kick deep, not much will change.... When you do the same things on defense, like Riley in coverage, not much will change.... When you have three stiffs on the o-line, not much will change..... When you have Tight End's who can't block, not much will change..... When you rely on Orakpo to be one of your best players, not much will change..... That's the maddening part with all of this. We've known about these issues for a while now and they aren't doing jack **** to fix it. They always come up with stupid excuses in the offseason to justify their moves, like "Haslett was handcuffed by Shanahan" or "Polumbus isn't as bad as fans think", "Orakpo will finally be able to go after the QB", etc...Of course us fans tend to buy into this front office propaganda because we are so beaten down that we just want anything to give us some hope. Well, I think most of this fanbase is hitting the breaking point and it won't be long until many finally have enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Anyone else depressed that the Dallas goddamn Cowboys are building the right way, and actually winning games? They've put together a young studly OL and they run behind it 30-40 times a game. Now, pretty much every other part of their roster is a dumpster fire outside their receiving corps. But they got the OL right after having one of the worst, old OL units in the league 2-3 years ago. Time for us to commit like that. Re-sign Trent. Then go OT in the top-10 (likely), OG or OC in the 2nd, then defense the rest of the way. Pick up a return specialist late if you're feeling crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This season is going to rival the Norval years. This is a 2 to 3-win team at best and they're going to fight for that #1 pick. Thank God they have a pick next year because they're going to need it. The Gruden era, IMO, is a going to be a painful one and this is just the start. This mess isn't Grudens fault. He never should've took this job. Anyone else depressed that the Dallas goddamn Cowboys are building the right way, and actually winning games? They've put together a young studly OL and they run behind it 30-40 times a game. Now, pretty much every other part of their roster is a dumpster fire outside their receiving corps. But they got the OL right after having one of the worst, old OL units in the league 2-3 years ago. Time for us to commit like that. Re-sign Trent. Then go OT in the top-10 (likely), OG or OC in the 2nd, then defense the rest of the way. Pick up a return specialist late if you're feeling crazy. We will most likely be picking in the top 3 and if Randy Gregory is available he will most certainly be the pick. RAK is gone and that will be his immediate replacement. I just don't see this team committing to building the OL with premium picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Considering the premium price we paid for Griffin, protecting him requires premium linemen. We absolutely should go OL a couple of times in the first few rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This mess isn't Grudens fault. He never should've took this job. We will most likely be picking in the top 3 and if Randy Gregory is available he will most certainly be the pick. RAK is gone and that will be his immediate replacement. I just don't see this team committing to building the OL with premium picks... Whether we like it or not, Trent Murphy is going to get first swing at Orakpo's job. That's why we took him so high. If we're drafting in the top-5 and a beast OT is there to pair with Trent and we go passrusher, CB, etc. I'll have a heart attack. A dominant DL prospect would be the only exception, but NT and 3-4 DE rarely go that high, its usually edge rushers which as I said, OL is a higher priority. We can turn this offense and maybe team around in ONE year if we spend a high 1st and high 2nd on a stud OT and stud interior OL. It protects the QB, allows you to pound the ball and keep the defense off the field and push other teams around. Most importantly, it gives us an IDENTITY, smashmouth OL and running game with a talented WR corps as a bonus. We roll out Trent-2nd rounder-x-x-1st rounder next year, for example, and you become competitive VERY quickly even totally independent of how RG3 and the defense progresses, because you can control the clock and rough up teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I just don't see this team committing to building the OL with premium picks... And that is why we are constantly stuck with a bunch of scrubs at oline. We need to quit going for the sexy picks and start beefing up our oline, instead of just plugging in journeymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 And that is why we are constantly stuck with a bunch of scrubs at oline. We need to quit going for the sexy picks and start beefing up our oline, instead of just plugging in journeymen. We need to find some sexy lineman so Snyder can live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dballer Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This mess isn't Grudens fault. He never should've took this job. We will most likely be picking in the top 3 and if Randy Gregory is available he will most certainly be the pick. RAK is gone and that will be his immediate replacement. I just don't see this team committing to building the OL with premium picks... Jax, Oakland, Tennesee, Cleveland, NYJ, TB, STL and MINN all have something to say about picking in the top 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 This season is going to rival the Norval years. This is a 2 to 3-win team at best and they're going to fight for that #1 pick. Thank God they have a pick next year because they're going to need it. The Gruden era, IMO, is a going to be a painful one and this is just the start. But under Turner we kind of rebuilt from the end of the Gibbs era in the proper way. We were a pretty young team that grew from 3-13 in 1994 to 9-7 in 1996. We plateaued under Turner's coaching, but the process we followed was fundamentally correct. If we were to emulate that model with Gruden (and he turns out to be a good coach), then I would be very encouraged. The mid-1990s era was the last time we really took our time to build a team the proper way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I've always been on the bandwagon of not caring about the record. I don't ever want us to win games, but I recognize that this team had problems from top to bottom at the beginning of the year. What I want from Gruden this year is to see how he is as a coach. How does he motivate players? How does he deal with difficult players? How does he teach players? How can he make adjustments. etc. We have a rookie head coach. We should expect growing pains right now. I'm taking note of the steps back and steps forward that can lead to us being successful in the future. I'm motivated by the fact that we have some nice youth on the roster and not too many guys over 25 who have a lot of guaranteed money owed to them. I like the way Cousins looked yesterday after getting rattled against NY. People may be shocked, but I'm liking our special teams. Yesterday marks 2 games with no glaring mistakes. The biggest complaint was the coach's decision to do an onsides kick and Roberts not running it more, but you're not hearing complaints about returns for TDs or blocked kicks any more. Thats improvement. I don;'t even know if I'll call the defense an improvement just yet, but against NY, the Giants got the ball with a short field 4 times and scored a TD each time. Against SEA, they only scored on that last TD - so that's something. But the biggest improvement I saw yesterday was the lack of critical mistakes. How often are we the team with fewer penalties? How often do we not get a roughing, holding, or personal foul call - those are things that kill our drives and we've worked to eliminate them. There's more, and there's definitely some down things that we need to work on, but when you talk about setting expectations, I think its important to have expectations to grow as a team and into a team. People get so hung up on W/L records but the NFL is futile. We could go on a 5 game win streak like in 2005, 2007, or 2012, but it would only mask the deficiencies on this team. All those teams were fundamentally flawed and instead of correcting the problems the winning streak gave us an excuse to keep things as they are. I like Gruden as a coach cause he calls it how he sees it and he's trying to improve this team. That's what I want from my coach. But under Turner we kind of rebuilt from the end of the Gibbs era in the proper way. We were a pretty young team that grew from 3-13 in 1994 to 9-7 in 1996. We plateaued under Turner's coaching, but the process we followed was fundamentally correct. If we were to emulate that model with Gruden (and he turns out to be a good coach), then I would be very encouraged. The mid-1990s era was the last time we really took our time to build a team the proper way. It seems like people have forgotten the actual hope and optimism of the Turner years. People like to remember years 4-7 of his reign, but those first 3 years and the first part of the 4th year was a time of excitement. But the problem with Turner was that he just couldn't find a defensive coordinator. He went from Ron Lynn to Mike Nolan - both of whom sucked and kept our defense back. But Turner's also the last guy we had in here who was a fundamental teacher who could get the best out of young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticsalmon Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Every year, Snyder SELLS hope-just about every year the result is hopeless. I'm tired of it. It's a vicious cycle of mediocrity of putting lipstick on a "hog." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenDavis Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Let's face it ... Skins need a complete new rebuild ... Draft + FA .... it should take 4-5 years. At end of this cycle we will probably see new unis and a new name/mascot. No it won't be accomplished in 4-5 years. We'll randomly make the playoffs in a couple years then we'll be right back where we are. I've accepted that we will never be a consistent winning franchise. It sucks but it's been my life as a Redskins fan so I've come to accept it. This has to be some kind of curse. I'm an Atlanta Braves fan but I was hoping the Nationals would win the World Series so D.C. could shed the losing mentality. Last night was a good win for them so maybe they can come back and beat the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge316 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 My expectation is to finish 3rd in the division for majority of the years instead of dead last. I'm not sure Danny boy can manage that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfl guru Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 My only expectation is Griffin developing into the star we need. Defense was shot from the beginning when they announced Haslett coming back and the draft did little to inspire real change. What did Shanny accomplish then if we already need a 4, 5 year rebuild? Smhhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 It wouldn't hurt my feelings if we spent all 7 picks in next season's draft on offensive linemen. Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek1973 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Whether we like it or not, Trent Murphy is going to get first swing at Orakpo's job. That's why we took him so high. If we're drafting in the top-5 and a beast OT is there to pair with Trent and we go passrusher, CB, etc. I'll have a heart attack. A dominant DL prospect would be the only exception, but NT and 3-4 DE rarely go that high, its usually edge rushers which as I said, OL is a higher priority. We can turn this offense and maybe team around in ONE year if we spend a high 1st and high 2nd on a stud OT and stud interior OL. It protects the QB, allows you to pound the ball and keep the defense off the field and push other teams around. Most importantly, it gives us an IDENTITY, smashmouth OL and running game with a talented WR corps as a bonus. We roll out Trent-2nd rounder-x-x-1st rounder next year, for example, and you become competitive VERY quickly even totally independent of how RG3 and the defense progresses, because you can control the clock and rough up teams. Lets face it what issues do we have right now that would help if we drafted correctly? TE and I will also say Kicker. We drafted for these positions and we ended up cutting them. This is where we have to get better. Our later picks much be at least serviceable starters. When I see Neils Paul get his ass handed to him blocking, I am WTF? couldn't we find a solid TE in the 6th round that can block? When I see Kai, not be able to kick it past the goaline and consistently see other teams get solid to great rookie kickers I am pissed. It should be this hard. Our scouting department sucks...lets face it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge316 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Lets face it what issues do we have right now that would help if we drafted correctly? TE and I will also say Kicker. We drafted for these positions and we ended up cutting them. This is where we have to get better. Our later picks much be at least serviceable starters. When I see Neils Paul get his ass handed to him blocking, I am WTF? couldn't we find a solid TE in the 6th round that can block? When I see Kai, not be able to kick it past the goaline and consistently see other teams get solid to great rookie kickers I am pissed. It should be this hard. Our scouting department sucks...lets face it. Bruce Allen and everyone was convinced that Shanny was the problem for not listening to the scouting department. This team needs talent evaluators so badly, but I don't think Danny and Allen sees that as a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtruslow Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Looking over the schedule I had high expectations, maybe 10 wins. The Skins could've won last night and should've beaten the Eagles. From where I sit, we should be 3-2. Kirk really showed me something rebounding from that horrible game vs. the Giants. Realistically, I think 7 wins is about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prufRock Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 But under Turner we kind of rebuilt from the end of the Gibbs era in the proper way. We were a pretty young team that grew from 3-13 in 1994 to 9-7 in 1996. We plateaued under Turner's coaching, but the process we followed was fundamentally correct. If we were to emulate that model with Gruden (and he turns out to be a good coach), then I would be very encouraged. The mid-1990s era was the last time we really took our time to build a team the proper way. Agreed. In a crazy way, I'm almost more interested in seeing how Gruden grows into his job than seeing how Griffin or Cousins grow into theirs. As far as the current roster, yes the lack of depth that's being exposed now is tough to accept. Only so much can be laid at the feet of Shanahan and the salary cap penalties. However, I'm willing to see how this year's draft class pans out and give Bruce Allen one more draft where he's fully in charge before closing the book on him completely. I don't think it's all just about drafting though. I think it's about drafting and developing players as part of a cohesive, unified program that results in a pipeline of talent like you see from teams that have sustained success. Players on those teams show marked improvement from one year to the next on those teams. That rarely happens for the Skins. They either hit on someone right away like Trent Williams or they draft guys who never really improve to a Pro Bowl level. They don't really have a great player development strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Tired of rebuilding and I'm tired of moral victories. I want wins. Plain and simple. Win some ****ing football games. Just win. No more excuses. Every other team in the NFL turns it around but us and Jacksonville. Win football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Hog Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Pre-Season, I said 9-7. I'm now changing it to 2-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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